Jem45
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Aug 18, 2020 19:52:13 GMT
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OK lads, I appreciate this isn't an exact science but as a non-welder, I'd appreciate your help & thanks in advance... My other half's Honda - which she's had 15 years (!!) and is consequently quite attached to - has failed it's MOT on welding today: inner and outer sills offside and nearside in front of the rear wheel arches. It was a bit scabby but he's been at it with the sharp object and it was clearly worse than it appeared. I'm now in the naughty corner for not noticing/ keeping up to it/ preventing it - fair play. Anyway the car's effectively worthless but she wants to keep it. I want to balance this against what we can afford and whether it's wirth it for an old munter (the car). What ballpark ought I be paying someone to remedy? Pics are of near side and this is the slightly worse of the two:
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2020 19:57:13 GMT by Jem45
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Aug 18, 2020 20:37:20 GMT
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It all depends upon what type of job you are looking for - if it's just something to keep the car on the road and get it through the test I would have thought somewhere in the £200 - £250 range but don't expect it to come back with a perfect profile and in matching paint for that money - it will be repair sections from sheet steel formed around what is there to make it solid enough to get it through a test with underseal slapped over it - that's providing you don't find the perforated rot running away with its self on the inner sill & floor pan - its all too often hard to tell until you get into this type of work - you could end up paying vat on that too should the garage be vat registered hence heading into the £300 region - you may find someone cheaper but its like everything in life you get what you pay for
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Last Edit: Aug 18, 2020 20:38:11 GMT by Deleted
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Aug 18, 2020 20:38:15 GMT
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As a rough guess if that welding is fairly limited (i.e. it doesn't get worse as you cut it back I would have thought 1.5 hours a side (it will probably be double skinned in this location so you have to make two plates and weld then to the car and together.
That would be to grind it up and just put some underseal or similar on it so it would be seen but would be solid. If you want it filled and painted its going to take a lot longer. This assumes that they don't have to move anything like the petrol tank/lines/filler neck to make it safe to weld and there isn't any major dismantling of the interior required to avoid fire.
At 3 hours for both I would have thought around £150-175 to do that. If its the only bad bit on the car (welding wise) and the rest of the car is good mechanically its worth doing it, my fiesta went both sides in a similar way and I welded it up around 5 years ago and its still going strong.
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Jem45
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Aug 18, 2020 20:51:17 GMT
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Thanks both - really helpful. It is good elsewhere and the areas beyond the chalk are whackable with a hammer so pretty localised I think. What hasn't helped is that on the side pictured (the worst) the car had a knock a few years ago which deformed that area so possibly has added to the lack of integrity there.
For me, that kind of price = not worth it. Maybe I'll park it round the back and invest £150 in a second hand welder and try and learn to weld. That would be a better use of the cash I think...
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Last Edit: Aug 18, 2020 20:51:48 GMT by Jem45
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Aug 18, 2020 21:06:57 GMT
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Thanks both - really helpful. It is good elsewhere and the areas beyond the chalk are whackable with a hammer so pretty localised I think. What hasn't helped is that on the side pictured (the worst) the car had a knock a few years ago which deformed that area so possibly has added to the lack of integrity there. For me, that kind of price = not worth it. Maybe I'll park it round the back and invest £150 in a second hand welder and try and learn to weld. That would be a better use of the cash I think... if that’s the case I would say better the devil you know What car can you get for a few hundred quid that you know the exact history of over the last decade? Very few if any and if you say the rest of the car is good and her indoors likes it I would look at repairing it. Trouble with parking it up is in most cases the next time it moves will be when it’s too far gone to save and it’s off to the big scrap man
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Aug 18, 2020 21:12:28 GMT
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Thanks both - really helpful. It is good elsewhere and the areas beyond the chalk are whackable with a hammer so pretty localised I think. What hasn't helped is that on the side pictured (the worst) the car had a knock a few years ago which deformed that area so possibly has added to the lack of integrity there. For me, that kind of price = not worth it. Maybe I'll park it round the back and invest £150 in a second hand welder and try and learn to weld. That would be a better use of the cash I think... To be honest unless you want to learn to weld or have a need to do this I would get someone else to do it, a second hand welder will probably cost more than paying someone to do it and you might find its worn out which you won't know as you are learning to weld and will think its you doing it wrong.
Then you have the cost of gas as those little cylinders probably won't be enough to do this and before you know it you have spent a lot of money on something you will only do once in a blue moon, it also might not be very strong if your jut starting out,
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joe90
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Aug 18, 2020 21:26:15 GMT
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OK lads, I appreciate this isn't an exact science but as a non-welder, I'd appreciate your help & thanks in advance... My other half's Honda - which she's had 15 years (!!) and is consequently quite attached to - has failed it's MOT on welding today: inner and outer sills offside and nearside in front of the rear wheel arches. It was a bit scabby but he's been at it with the sharp object and it was clearly worse than it appeared. I'm now in the naughty corner for not noticing/ keeping up to it/ preventing it - fair play. Anyway the car's effectively worthless but she wants to keep it. I want to balance this against what we can afford and whether it's wirth it for an old munter (the car). What ballpark ought I be paying someone to remedy? Pics are of near side and this is the slightly worse of the two: where abouts are you in west Yorkshire, if your in or around leeds I could have a look at it for you. Bryan
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Jem45
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Aug 18, 2020 21:49:17 GMT
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I'm in Mirfield Bryan - don't know if you know it. It's towards Hudders off the A62 Leeds Rd or M62 J25. PM me a contact number if you like?
Thanks everyone else for views.
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Cars not worth scrapping at the moment,so use it for welding practice. You could learn three things:
A) how to weld B) it’s not worth the aggro C) Can see why I was quoted £300 🤣🤣
Price very dependant as to where you live. Probably cheaper up North where you are...
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awoo
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Aug 20, 2020 11:56:04 GMT
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I can weld, I have equipment, I have a Honda, it also rusts in the same places, I too am attached.
Considering the above. I pay someone else to do it.
It’s not easy to a good job of it and I don’t weld enough or do body work enough to do it properly. It really is worth the money to have someone do it for you who does this work daily. I say this as someone that will refuse to pay people to do work to the extent that I fix my own boiler at home.
I generally have to get this done every few years, costs about £250 a side for a whole arch, after a bit of haggling and offering incentives of being an easy customer and understanding the work involved.
I go to people who do accident repair and are the garage for the local Mercedes dealer, as they usually will do major work on smashed up expensive cars, something like this is a simple job to them. Also they always do a good job for the price.
I’ve found general body shops can get all funny telling you it’s going to be a big job and try frighten you in to thinking it’s bad and therefore quote you four times the price.
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bricol
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Aug 20, 2020 12:32:10 GMT
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The problem usually is that little bit of rust on the outside, is a foot of rust down the inner sill behind it . . .
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Aug 20, 2020 12:53:29 GMT
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Cant quite tell what model, but a pair of full sills for a Jazz are £112 delivered: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-JAZZ-GD-2002-2008-FULL-SILL-REPAIR-PANEL-ROCKER-PANEL-PAIR/273612313630?fits=Model%3AJazz%7CCars+Year%3A2004&hash=item3fb490941e:g:Tk0AAOSwvWVfOWHXIf you have had it that long and the only thing wrong with it is that, I'd be tempted to repair it. If there are lots of other things getting near to be end of life then that might be different. Cant get much for under £1k thats going to better than what you have (if it's a 15 y/o Honda it's proabably got the same issue!) I like to work out cost of repairs vs current value (whilst MOT failure) - add them together and then see what car I can get for the same money. Also work out how much your car is worth now/repaired if it's only worth the same when repaired, the devide your loss over how long your keeping it and see if your happy to loose that amount. Say it's worth £500 either way & £300 to repair it, but you only want to keep it 12m then your going to loose £300/£25pm over the next year.
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2020 13:00:18 GMT by joem83
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Jem45
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Aug 20, 2020 15:31:05 GMT
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Post-script: We decided to keep it if we could bring it in (including some other bits and bats that I can do, so parts only) under £300. Did some phoning around and cutting a long story short, got it done for £200 all in at a local backstreet garage this afternoon. Result! As a number of experienced heads suggested, the extent of the rust was significantly beyond the chalk marks on the offside - the guy had to take it back to find solid metal to weld to and called me in to see the result - eek! Was wondering if I had a renegotiation situation on my hands. He had initially quoted £250 in the end he gave me £50 back. It's gonna see me off, this effing Honda Still, mrs is chuffed so there we are...
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Aug 20, 2020 15:57:56 GMT
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Good result. Definitely worth keeping a car you know and like on the road for that cost.
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Aug 20, 2020 17:32:23 GMT
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I generally have to get this done every few years, costs about £250 a side for a whole arch, after a bit of haggling and offering incentives of being an easy customer and understanding the work involved. Is that the same bit on the same car that you are getting done every few years? If so its not being done right in any way shape or form....
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awoo
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Aug 20, 2020 20:59:49 GMT
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I generally have to get this done every few years, costs about £250 a side for a whole arch, after a bit of haggling and offering incentives of being an easy customer and understanding the work involved. Is that the same bit on the same car that you are getting done every few years? If so its not being done right in any way shape or form.... Ha no, thank god. Different spots, different sides, different cars. 80/90s Hondas always rust in the rear arches
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]Ha no, thank god. Different spots, different sides, different cars. 80/90s Hondas always rust in the rear arches Ahh that ok then, i have come across people who have their MOT station patch the same bit year after year. Because all they do is weld a patch over the rusty metal and just use a bigger patch each year
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fazzer
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Aug 21, 2020 20:34:13 GMT
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