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Dec 17, 2020 22:30:46 GMT
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Right. Thanks for answering! I was wondering if you were going to split the cab at the A posts and keep the dash and bulkhead or something. But sounds like you aim to run it 100% gokart with no panels?
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Dec 18, 2020 11:46:17 GMT
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this is going to look great, Could you get the body off if you notched the panel around the Pittman arm forward in the same way as the axle link lower down?
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Dec 18, 2020 13:00:30 GMT
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I reckon the most period correct would probably be having the lower rocker panel removable with dzus fasteners so you could lift the body high enough to wiggle it past the pitman arm.
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Dec 18, 2020 20:34:57 GMT
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It’ll end up with something along those lines. Yes it’ll be full gokart with no panels at all apart from the sandwich plate and the floor panel.
Splitting the lower cowl panel in half is the only way it’s really gonna work. I’m not a massive fan of dzus though. As it stands to take the body off i unbolt the firewall, cowl top/dash and side panels, but it’s as much to reduce the weight as anything. Once the body is done I plan just to have a screw in lifting eye on the roof that I can use the gantry crane on, so weight should be less of an issue and I can probably lift it with all that attached providing I get the balance point right.
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I was thinking Dzus type as they were definitely used on cars of that era. They're one of those things like anodised AN fittings that look modern but have been used since the war especially by hot rodders/racers as there was tons of surplus
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The mrs got me what I asked for of Christmas. I’d found another cast alloy steering wheel that hasn’t had the centre chewed out, and was actually a fraction larger diameter, but not too big. It’s now 16” instead of 15”. I can’t for the more usual 18” wheel without rapping my knuckles on the door. It’s got nice heavy finger dimples, and a nice patina. Overall it’s a nice looking thing. It was already 3/4” taper fitting, but needed opening up just a fraction to slip on all the way. So I reamed it very slightly until it sat at the right depth. You have to be careful not to go too far so there still a little gap to the end of the column or the wheel won’t tighten up on the taper properly. A woodruff was then fitted along with the chrome nut and washer and that was that bit done. I like how plain and simple the whole column setup is now. It would be very easy to go too OTT with it. I’m Proably not going to mount any switchgear to keep it looking clean. With that bit done I moved onto finishing the pitman arm. I needed to fit up the smaller ball end to it, which bolts in. This required some careful drilling, reaming and grinding to get it sitting right, the taper tightening up right, and the back flat for a nut to sit on it. Here’s the stud with the smaller ball size to be fitted. It’s got to sit about here. Old one cut off. No going back now. Notice how I cut it and left a bit of the old boss on to up the material thickness to accept more of the taper. As nothing on the arm is flat, square or level, I had to freehand the hole though the middle. It was then drilled out to size and the taper reamed to accept the new joint. Again you have to be careful to not go too big or the taper won’t tighten up before the locknut bottoms out. The back was then ground and filed flat for the locknut to sit on, and any sharp edges created were smoothed and rounded. I cleaned up the thread on the steering box and the pitman arm nut a bit, then reassembled everything. The end of it is worn at a funny angle as on the original big truck it acts as a steering stop when the tyre rubs on it! I think I’ll replace the nut for a new one. But that’s it, I have a full range of movement without anything hitting anything and a punt an even lock each way. If I really swing on it hard against the stops it’s flexes the box a bit, which is to be expected, but I’ll add a secondary bracket onto the other side of the box once it’s apart again to counteract that. Overall I’m pretty happy with how it’s come out. Not much to do now before blasting and paint...
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That is some lovely work! Especially the freehand drilling.
Tom
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1 year on, have you done owt else fabrication-wise, been accumulating parts or just tripping over it?
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1 year on, have you done owt else fabrication-wise, been accumulating parts or just tripping over it? All of the above. The Pace hasn’t exactly been brisk, but it’s further on than the updates here. I need to take it all apart again for some finish welding and paint, but I cant do that right now for various reasons. Soon though.
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May 29, 2023 10:52:06 GMT
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Time to start slowly dragging this up to date, for my own project planning benefit more than anything. The huge breaks in progress will be explained shortly. Where I left off 2-1/2 years ago I’d just made the steering work. It appears the next thing I did was chop out the old sill panels and remake the framing for them. It really annoyed me they sat on some 1” box section above the chassis rails so I redid that in 3mm flat, same amount of metal but sits lower. This is also part of making the body easier to get on and off. These then have a another bit of flat welded on to form a T-shaped section, that sits up against the chassis rail. Again same amount of metal But more compact in its execution. With those done, I turned my attention to seats. I’d been keeping half an eye out for something suitable for this for a good while. The space I have for the seat base is tight, and aesthetics are the primary consideration. Although I’ve got a few cool genuine bomber/fighter plane seats, they’re all too wide as they’re designed to seat people in full winter flying gear, so wouldn’t work. Whilst visiting another hot rodder/restorer friend who has way more junk than me, I spied these, in a big wartime truck of all things?! He lent me one to experiment with as the truck is a few restorations down the line yet. And would you believe it? If you’re looking for the smallest seats apparently you should be looking in the largest vehicles 😂 Now I can’t have these seats as they’re rare, but I can copy them. They’re a bit rough in places anyway so will need some work. Base is just a bit of wood with padding and a cover nailed on. Seat back stripped of its covering and padding to see how it’s constructed. Interestingly, they’re appear to be hand made, in that they’re not quite symmetrical or square. So I did some blueprints, templates, and cut out some blanks. The problem I ran into then was their actual construction. I need to make ip tooling for the trumpf to make a false wire edge, which I didn’t have time to do at the time, so this little side project was shelved. This is what I need to make- Which do this- It’s something that requires time and trial/error, which back then I didnt have. I will be revisiting this bit soon though…
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May 29, 2023 11:12:12 GMT
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One cut and dried project I could get out the way was mounting the battery. Battery tech has come on loads over the years, and although I’m churning over a 5+L v8, you can do that with a pretty tiny battery these days. This one is about the size of a mx-5 battery but has more CCA than the original battery a 56 Ford would have had. Tray designed and made up- Folded- Fits nicely. I like this type of terminal at the mo, look quote period and are easy to add extra wires to. It’s going down here in the passenger footwell, with the fuse box next to it. I wanted to use a traditional early Ford top clamp like this, but it’s obviously too big. So I made one up to a similar design, but the right size. Next is the clamping mechanism. Some tabs were made up. And welded to the top frame. Some 1/4” stainless bar was cut to length and bent into tent pegs. Before the tops were threaded and finished off with some brass wing nuts from my stash of cool old timey fixtures and fittings. And that’s that bit done bar for welding it to the chassis rail. Here you can see I’ve made up some cables too. I had a few vehicles to wire so I bought a new toy tool. EBay cheapy but works very nicely, well worth the 30 quid or so it was. I don’t like garish red cables if they’re on show so I do all mine in black and ring off the ends of the positives with some red heatshrink. The starter solenoid is remote as most where back then. I’ve mounted in the drivers footwell behind the pedal assembly, as there’s some free interior space there, and it means a short run to the starter from it. The battery cable just loops under the gearbox. And that’s the last cable out to the starter. I’ll Probably add a earth strap between engine and chassis, but it seems to crank strongly without one. Presumably earthing through the shuffle plate.
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May 30, 2023 20:48:43 GMT
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At this point in time, about two years ago, I was quite flush for combined reasons. I knew I was moving, and I finished 3 builds in short succession whilst also selling off a lot of stuff to reduce what I needed to drag up country with me. So I was buying as much stuff as I could to stash away to finish builds. I knew after moving I would have no real income for a while so this seemed like a good idea. two years later, and it has paid off. This order was from duksville I think, various early ford specific bits and bobs, plus some electrical stuff. Some new Wilwood master cyls were stashed away for the pedal assembly too. A fusebox and most of the other electrical gear to wire it up. I also did a big rockauto order or two of all the brake system consumables, engine service stuff, lots of gaskets, all new propshaft parts, rear axle seals, etc. etc. I figured if had it sat around I could do bits here and there even if I didn’t have any money to spend. I also bought some rear lights and some of the bits I needed to do the shifter setup, amongst countless other small Items. I did get as far as making up a bracket for the fuse box and figure out some of the wiring runs and component placement. Nothing is conventional about where stuff is on this thing cos all the running gear is above the floor, and I can’t reach the dash from the drivers seat. The fusebox mounts next to the battery in the passenger footwell. I also cut down this unknown grille guard is been saving forever for its soldered mesh, and tiger sealed it in the A grille shell. I also figured out where the brake lines were going to run. I didn’t want to get tied into custom hoses, there’s two lengths available off the shelf and I could just make the longest ones work. So some tabs were made and welded on, hidden away as much as possible under the headlights. I also welded in the fuel tank framework and fitted that. At this point I really was trying to attach as much stuff as possible to the car, or box it up and catalogue it so nothing went missing during the impending move.
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May 31, 2023 11:05:46 GMT
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Do you think you can stop messing around with this silly hotrod of yours for just a few minutes and go and finish your It's grim up north story? We're all sitting here waiting Dez.
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May 31, 2023 11:33:13 GMT
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Yippie, some more reading stuff by Dez! And would you believe it? If you’re looking for the smallest seats apparently you should be looking in the largest vehicles 😂 Although something similarly small-ish should have been possible to find in fiat 500s and other microcars?Seat back stripped of its covering and padding to see how it’s constructed. Wasn't some free old empty barrel available from somebody round You to cut it down for the back rests?
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May 31, 2023 20:56:51 GMT
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Do you think you can stop messing around with this silly hotrod of yours for just a few minutes and go and finish your It's grim up north story? We're all sitting here waiting Dez. You’ll be pleased to hear the multiple pulp fiction-esque out of time storylines are in danger of converging soon 😆
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May 31, 2023 20:59:39 GMT
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Yippie, some more reading stuff by Dez! Although something similarly small-ish should have been possible to find in fiat 500s and other microcars?Wasn't some free old empty barrel available from somebody round You to cut it down for the back rests?[/quote] Small cars seem to have weirdly big seats. Fiat 500 ones are not small. These are actually closest in design and construction to some series 1 E-type ones I used to have. But I sold those for telephone numbers.
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Dez
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May 31, 2023 21:26:05 GMT
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So that was it, I was out of time at the old workshop. The car was as assembled as it was getting, and ready to roll out. It was the first car to go up as I’d got a garage space prepped for it, and it had to be kept dry because of all the bare metal. Here it is being loaded up. This car was a big part of why I had to build a ramp bed recovery truck to move everything. It works perfectly though, it doesn’t matter the car is 2 inches off the floor. Not something you could move on a beavertail! 150 or so miles later… And installed in its new home. As you can see, tight on space with the amount of other junk I’ve shoehorned in there, but it’s dry and safe and that’s what matters. This move kinda curtailed any further progress for a good while. Not only was a busy as hell with other things, it’s hard to work on a car in that tight a space. I had to roll it out to be able to access half the stuff in there, so it got rolled out regularly. My fairly rigorous schedule of works at the new place included a lot of improvements to the existing buildings. Here it looks like I’m running the new power cable down to the garage. And here I’m consigning the useless up and over garage door (I absolutely bloody hate the things) to the scrap pile in favour of some wooden ones saved from a 1930s garage. So for 18 months or so, I didn’t do a damn thing to the car. Then, as part of my schedule of works, I took down the wall between the car space of the garage and the conjoined small workshop. This took a 15ftx6.5ft space and a 15ftx10ft space and made them one single 15ftx17ft garage space, which was a total game changer. Before- During- After- As you can see I also ejected a huge amount of stored junk out of there into a new building I’ve erected for the express purpose of storage of said junk. This gives me room to swing a cat, and more importantly, swing some spanners.
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Some hard work on the workshop there, and car looks completely badass just parked! James
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"As you can see I also ejected a huge amount of stored junk things that might come in handy - one day, out of there into a new building I’ve erected for the express purpose of storage of said junk things that might come in handy - one day."
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Dez
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"As you can see I also ejected a huge amount of stored junk things that might come in handy - one day, out of there into a new building I’ve erected for the express purpose of storage of said junk things that might come in handy - one day." I thought I was fairly ruthless when I moved. The building I’ve just erected is larger than the house 🤣
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