|
|
Mar 28, 2020 20:35:46 GMT
|
I think that’s what they’re called, little valve type thing on the injector. What are these for? How do they work?
I’ve removed them in the past and there was little to no fuel present.
Re fitted an injector tonight minus the washer I believe, the car would start then cut out and wouldn’t restart, made a horrible noise which I think (hope) was diesel escaping. I removed the leak off pipe again and this time it was full of fuel.
|
|
Last Edit: Mar 28, 2020 20:40:45 GMT by PistolPete
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 28, 2020 20:56:22 GMT
|
they are leakoff pipes, excess diesel returns back to the tank eventually, most are routed through the fuel filter.
you reslly don't want a leak here as it'll make a mess, and when left standing will suck air back into the system making cold starts a curse word.
not sure what arrangement your particular engine has, but if they are the old mechanical type injector with a barb each side then do make sure you get decent rubber 3mm fuel resistant hose, do not use the generic 1/8" cloth overbraided curse word that is everywhere, as that translates to 3.2mm and doesn't fit tight enough.
for my bmw tds I went to a citroen dealer and bought a metre length for under a tenner, as bmw wanted £30.
for the same bloody stuff.
if its a later commonrail type injector where a small clip secures an o-ringed plastic fitting into the top of them, then it'll be oem only if you've broken them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 28, 2020 21:01:50 GMT
|
Thanks for that.
It’s the common rail injectors I have. I’ve not broken anything thankfully but I was confused as to why they would have lots of fuel In them if I refitted the injector without a seal and tried to start the car.
How does diesel get back up these? Do these act as a relief valve for the top of the injector where the fuel rail connects rather than the bottom?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 28, 2020 21:22:15 GMT
|
its basically just any excess diesel that bleeds off, I'm not certain of the exact details of how it works in a commonrail engine.
diesel lubricates the moving parts of the injector, with the old mechanical injectors there is still a little pressure in the feed lines after the needle has settled back onto its seat as the pressure drops when the cam plate rolls over to the next cylinder.
|
|
|
|
stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 14,834
Club RR Member Number: 174
|
Diesel return pipesstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
|
Mar 28, 2020 21:52:05 GMT
|
Do you mean you've refitted the injector without the copper washer on the end?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 28, 2020 22:23:09 GMT
|
Do you mean you've refitted the injector without the copper washer on the end? Yes, I thought the seal was stuck in the head so I refitted the injector to start the car to give the seal some heat but I’m not convinced now. These injectors don’t have a consistent bore from the valve cover to their finish in the cylinder head, there is no bore from the top of the head to the top of the valve cover, real poor design. I now fear the seal dropped into the valve area while I carefully withdrew it through the valve cover, that or I was really unlucky and the seal broke and left no trace when I removed the injector and all parts fell into the cylinder - I don’t think this was the case as there was no twisting to remove the injector just a direct pull out. I’ve had a bit of a nightmare with it if I’m honest. Never had this trouble before.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 28, 2020 23:21:18 GMT
|
The seal cant fall into the cyl, even it was in 2 pieces it's still too big. If it isnt on the injector it will be sitting in the head.
|
|
1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
|
|
|
|
|
I hope so mate, preferably still at the bottom of the cylinder bore and the grove screw on my reaming tool is stopping it hitting the bottom of the bore and causing my confusion
|
|
|
|
stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 14,834
Club RR Member Number: 174
|
Diesel return pipesstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
|
|
Take the injector back out and check the end, on some engines the clearances are tight enough that it'll hit the piston if fitted without the washer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
This is on an Audi 3.0 v6 if that helps at all. I’ve taken a couple of pics today Bore 1, the one I’m having issues with Bore 2, which came out with the sealing ring on it To me there is still a sealing ring on the base of bore 1. What do you think?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 29, 2020 10:21:04 GMT
|
All the diesel injector seals I’ve had have been copper, but I’ve not had dealings with Audi diesels, could they be steel or Ali?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 29, 2020 10:27:22 GMT
|
I’m not sure, someone has been here before me as the bolt that holds the injector in was loose but not loose.
Can you get repair shins and that’s what I’m looking at?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 29, 2020 11:16:26 GMT
|
Googling Audi diesel shows the copper style seals I’d expect it to have, along with a couple of o rings Can you carefully get something like a scribe down no1 and see if anything’s loose at the bottom, or does it just need a clean? Be careful not to damage the seat
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 29, 2020 12:14:40 GMT
|
That’s my concern, everything shows copper seals.
I emailed a mobile injector removal guy and he said it looks to have a seal present but possibly an aluminium one or aluminium coated and may have sealed itself to the head. I don’t want to keep going at it incase i am going at the head instead.
I’m really stuck now, my cutting tools aren’t cutting fully on the face of the washer/head, only the centre or the external edges making me think it’s still got a seal present.
|
|
|
|
lrman
Part of things
Posts: 41
|
|
|
It should have a copper washer on the end. It’s hard to tell if there is something in there still so what I would advise is to fit the injector back in with no washer again and with a straight edge see if it sits at the same height as the other two injectors on that bank. If its low then no washer if it’s the same it could be someone’s fitted a aluminium washer of some kind that’s deformed and I would think will be a pain to get out. Did the injector have any blow by before you removed it? If you look at the exhaust manifold on the relevant bank is there any black gunge dripping/ baked onto it about inline with that cylinder? I’ve seen these engines melt the copper washer when left with blow by before.
|
|
|
|