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Feb 29, 2020 20:03:38 GMT
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I've lurked for long enough and joined today This is only my 2nd post on here so go steady on me. Not sure if this qualifies yet but they came out in 2003 so it must be nearly retro. My 2005 Smart Roadster Coupe Some of you will say why a Smart? well I've only got a 16x8 garage and not much fits in it and can still be worked on. I like leaky semi auto cars with sloth like gear changes...and it leaks and changes gear once a fortnight ! What more could be wanted ?? Actually it goes quite well and handles like a go-kart. The picture makes it look better than it is. There are little niggly bodywork scuffs all round that need attention. I'm just in the process of going through the mechanicals. All four wheels were buckled and scuffed but now refurbished. Suspension and brakes next. It's it a bit shabby underneath but predominantly a sound base. Timing chain and starter after that....got to drop engine to do that. I'll post more if there's any interest. Cheers for reading all that...If you did. I wouldn't.
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Plastic Fantastic Coupeballbagbagins
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Feb 29, 2020 20:48:03 GMT
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Didn't brabus get intimate with Merc and squeeze out a semi-exciting one of these?
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Feb 29, 2020 21:04:43 GMT
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Didn't brabus get intimate with Merc and squeeze out a semi-exciting one of these? Yes they did. Mines the lowly 82 horse but there's a Brabus 101 stallion power which is also lower to the ground. A map and Brabus tail pipe will bring mine up to that. Don't intend to drop mine Only weigh about 800kilo so reasonable weight to power ratio.
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Feb 29, 2020 23:25:21 GMT
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Nice looking car there, Would be interested to hear / see more about it, Nigel.
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BMW E39 525i Sport BMW E46 320d Sport Touring (now sold on.) BMW E30 325 Touring (now sold on.) BMW E30 320 Cabriolet (Project car - currently for sale.)
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brc76
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Feb 29, 2020 23:50:48 GMT
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I had a 04 plate brabus 101 from 05 to 07. I want to say it should qualify for retro car status. It leaks, is rare(ish) but no one cares, only geeks like us notice them, they have a terrible transmission that makes driving them more challenging, otherwise they fall on their faces. I loved mine.
So... what are the plans?
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Nice looking car there, Would be interested to hear / see more about it, Nigel. Cheers Nigel It's definitely a Marmite car... I had a 04 plate brabus 101 from 05 to 07. I want to say it should qualify for retro car status. It leaks, is rare(ish) but no one cares, only geeks like us notice them, they have a terrible transmission that makes driving them more challenging, otherwise they fall on their faces. I loved mine. So... what are the plans? Well I'm no stranger to driving & mechanical challenges. The car that made way for the Roadster was this... ...and whilst it was a talking point whenever out, I got bored with it. My plan is to add a bit of horsepower via a map and exhaust which is a change in direction for me as I've always been an advocate of leaving things as they came out the factory. I'm going to seal the leaks. There are a couple of mechanical tweaks I can make to the gear & clutch selectors to speed up that process. Then I'm going to seal the leaks. whilst in the background I will be building another engine from the ground up and will see what more I can come up with....a Supercharger to go with the current Turbo would be good.....and no I'm not dropping a bike engine in it. Finally I'm going to seal the leaks.... ...then drive it. Obviously only in the dry cos it will still leak
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brc76
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I always sprayed my rubbers with an appropriate lubricant. That helped with the leaks.
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Mar 27, 2020 22:51:22 GMT
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So the current world wide Coronavirus leaves me with time on my hands so once Gerty indoors was placated with a few odd jobs and picture hanging it was off out into my lair which is a not a garage, being 16'x8' in size,it is merely somewhere with a roof to park the Roadster. If I ever get chance to evict Gerty's extra fridge and the tumble dryer there'd be a tad more room to work...but hey better than nowt and an excellent place to self isolate. I've been collecting a few parts without actually realising it would come in handy for this self isolation business. I sent the wheels off for refurb as all four were battered and bruised
I'm pleased with the result . They came back looking like this I've left the wheels off while I attend to the crusty brakes and suspension. and attended to the previous owners lack of attention to detail, such as this damaged ABS sensor wire and bracket... Stripped it all down into bits... When I came to remove the front strut top but I hit a stumbling block in that there is a special dealer tool to hold the shock piston that looks like this... Now this is just short of £40 notes and nobody was going deliver one as quick as wanted so I turned to the scrap lumber like and made this... Killed a few wire cup brushes cleaning things up then slipped some rust converter on followed with a smudge of zinc primer and a coat or 77 of black gloss the result of which was this... I assembled the parts gathered previously... Lobbed some spanners at em turning the pile of parts into this... And threw the assembly at the car as Lamb steak and beer was beckoning from Gerty indoors...there was a salivating dog with his nose in the air if I didn't turn up. Anyways, more of the same for t'other side. Won't bore you with that.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2020 22:53:27 GMT by asdajnr
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Now then. So in my last post I was going through the brakes which are now were sorted. Having been out for a couple of spirited runs a well documented issue reared it's head...a rattling timing chain. My Roadster needs a timing chain. It's done 77k miles and the chain is loose. So I got everything together to do a timing chain only and got stuck in. I also need to change the crusty sump Unfortunately this means back panel off, engine and subframe lowered down. I was going to do it the dealer way which is to only lower the subframe so far, negating the need to disconnect brake lines and coolant pipes. Best paid plans and all that. Even with the back panel off and exhaust off you can see how tight it is in there. During strip down I find the inlet wet with oil. I'd not driven it much, so no idea on oil consumption. It was still showing full but there's was also oil being pushed out of the dipstick and a few other locations. An optimistic me was hoping the one-way pcv valve was the culprit but I was also aware of the common issue of a burnt exhaust valve as a result of tired or gummed up oil rings due to either short journeys or lack of oil changes so conducted a quick cold compression check. Cold Dry No1 80 No2 140 No3 140 Cold Wet No1 100 No2 150 No3 150 Oh curse word. So it likely needs new valves & re-ringing... I'm no stranger to engines but not the Smart 3cyl's. So oil drained out. There is no sump bung hence the often neglected oil changes. Suction pump to the rescue. It was a this point I found that this little car was going to fight me all the way Every bolt I touched was seized. I'm surprised I only sheared 3. Cheesy stretchy steel e-torx bolts assembled into aluminium with no anti seize compound applied. Even my best efforts of soaking all bolts with penetrating oil over a period of weeks, heat applied and freeze spray was no use on those three. It'll have to be the drill then. Once I got all the gubbins disconnected I moved the the brake pipes. I tried a set of plastic pipe clamps but they were not much use so reverted to my trust home brew iron bar pipe clamps. It then progressed quite well and I'm at this stage. I'm quite pleased with how it's gone. Engine out and onto the floor next. Whoo hoo!! I've also convinced myself to go the whole hog and fully rebuild the engine. Might as well having got this far. Not looking forward to tackling those crusty sump bolts though. Might just weld some nuts on from the start. Anymore snapped studs will put me close to smash it with hammer time.
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Great work and a great project. That said, I did quite fancy one until you described the struggle with the engine!
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stealthstylz
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I've built loads of engines for these. Most important thing to check first is the oil pump housing in the crank case, scrapped a few casings that have been deeply scored in that area. Always fit a new pump gear set if the casing is good, they're cheap on eBay. Before you do a final wash off to build it put the gears in and make sure they turn, there's sometimes burrs on the casting that can make it tight.
It'll need a rebore, pistons are about 60 quid apiece from memory.
They're a nightmare for snapped bolts. Usually sump, timing cover and oil filter/cooler to block are most likely.
There are 2 ways to build them. You can either do the block and head together, fit the timing chain, pull the tensioner pin then slide the timing cover up into place. Downside is it's easy to nip the head gasket. Other option is to do the block, hang the timing chain and guides/tensioner in place, fit the timing chain, pull the pin, then bolt the head on. However lining the cam sprocket up is a case of mind over matter as you have to turn the pain of the chain ripping into your finger ends off as you pull upwards to force the tensioner back enough to let it line up. A waterpump spanner is also needed to turn the cam at the same time.
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Great work and a great project. That said, I did quite fancy one until you described the struggle with the engine! Cheers moddedtoledo . Don't let my trials and tribulations put you off. It's a lot of fun to drive on back roads. I spose' it could be described as a struggle but only because of my narrow workshop space. The wheeled Jack stand I bought has made it easier, as I can push the car out of the way giving me space to work on it. If you have access to a ramp it would be relatively straight forward to remove.
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I've built loads of engines for these. Most important thing to check first is the oil pump housing in the crank case, scrapped a few casings that have been deeply scored in that area. Always fit a new pump gear set if the casing is good, they're cheap on eBay. Before you do a final wash off to build it put the gears in and make sure they turn, there's sometimes burrs on the casting that can make it tight. It'll need a rebore, pistons are about 60 quid apiece from memory. They're a nightmare for snapped bolts. Usually sump, timing cover and oil filter/cooler to block are most likely. There are 2 ways to build them. You can either do the block and head together, fit the timing chain, pull the tensioner pin then slide the timing cover up into place. Downside is it's easy to nip the head gasket. Other option is to do the block, hang the timing chain and guides/tensioner in place, fit the timing chain, pull the pin, then bolt the head on. However lining the cam sprocket up is a case of mind over matter as you have to turn the pain of the chain ripping into your finger ends off as you pull upwards to force the tensioner back enough to let it line up. A waterpump spanner is also needed to turn the cam at the same time. Cheers for that stealthstylz. I'm going with replacing as much as I can afford and new oil pump is already on the list but the money tree I planted failed to grow so I need to reuse any bits I can. 're bore wear. I was planning on checking for bore wear as there are mixed opinons. Do you just go to rebore as a fail safe default or have you been checking them and finding a fair amount of out of roundness? As for seized bolts, I've one stuck in the rocker cover holding a coil pack on, all the timing cover bolts feel seized. The water pump bolts feel seized. They've had penetrating oil soaking for weeks now. Heat is difficult to apply as I don't want to melt the alloy. Gentle heat then freeze spray works in a fashion but not 100% successful...Any tips from your end?
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Last Edit: May 3, 2020 9:30:18 GMT by asdajnr
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stealthstylz
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Plastic Fantastic Coupestealthstylz
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I've not had one where the bores haven't been worn out. Usually 3-4 thou wear/taper. You could just re-ring but it'll use oil after not many miles at that level.
I just snap any bolts I have to and drill them out or timesert them, but it's not me paying the bill. I'd keep trying heat if you've got the time/patience. The less that are snapped the better.
I can't think of much else off hand. They do tagged and non tagged big end bearings. All of the rods I've seen are machined for tags but the tagged bearings they sell have the tags in the wrong place for half the set. I usually use them anyway and just take the tags off 4 bearings with the linisher.
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I've not had one where the bores haven't been worn out. Usually 3-4 thou wear/taper. You could just re-ring but it'll use oil after not many miles at that level. I just snap any bolts I have to and drill them out or timesert them, but it's not me paying the bill. I'd keep trying heat if you've got the time/patience. The less that are snapped the better. I can't think of much else off hand. They do tagged and non tagged big end bearings. All of the rods I've seen are machined for tags but the tagged bearings they sell have the tags in the wrong place for half the set. I usually use them anyway and just take the tags off 4 bearings with the linisher. stealthstylz, Thanks for that info. Changes my plan but better to know now.👍
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Now then, Only had a couple of hours to spare on it today. I had one win which was to remove the waterpump and housing without snapping a single bolt😁 So with renewed enthusiasm I tried again with the one remaining seized stud in the rocker cover gasket. As I did, Gerty indoors brought me a cuppa and spied my waterproof oil impregnated tea towel on the floor. "Is that one of mine?" She asked. I always find distraction to be the way forward so asked her for a biscuit to go with my cuppa. Gerty indoors fetched me a biscuit and completely forgot about the tea towel😗 So continuing with my task I applied heat, more heat and some heat. You can see my socket poised on the eronous bolt. Unfortunately this happened Stud number 4 even resisted a nut welded on to it. Oh well, it'll get sorted. One thing I was pleased with was being able to extract the aircon pump without disconnecting the pipes. Guides online tell me to discharge the gas and remove pipes. I've managed to keep the pipes connected and suspended the compressor in the engine bay. . While the starter is out the way I'm going to fashion a flywheel locking tool out of some scrap angle. Will help when I come to strip and rebuild the internals. Shouldn't be too difficult to fashion.
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May 10, 2020 18:25:57 GMT
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So into the fray again and another shift battling seized studs. Made my Heath Robinson Patent Pending Flywheel Locking Tool... Which enabled me to remove the crank bolt and pulley in preparations for removing the timing chain cover and cylinder head which I aimed to do today... ambitious I know. Crank Bolt required Jack Handle to remove it. Was a tentative moment as to whether the Silverline sacrificial spanner or the freshly fabricated flywheel locking tool would give way before the bolt... Needn't have fretted, it popped free before my shoulder popped out. Turning the engine and subframe on its head I tackled the crusty sump and bolts 13 of the 14 crusty E-torx bolts came out after much hammering with hammer, heating with heat, chiseling with a chisel and gnashing of teeth. The 14th bolt took it's toys and wouldn't come out to play, instead stuck it's middle finger up at me. So we're left like this after slathering some more penetrating fluid on. To be fair, I haven't snapped anything today so can't moan eh!
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ems1
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May 10, 2020 21:40:00 GMT
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I like the shape of the roadster coupe. I was thinking of getting one in the future but after reading this I've changed my mind!
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1985 Manta GT/E 16v 2001 VW T4 Caravelle
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May 10, 2020 22:21:57 GMT
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I like the shape of the roadster coupe. I was thinking of getting one in the future but after reading this I've changed my mind! To be fair they're not all going to be like my car. This one has just been very unloved. Last owner didn't spend much on maintenance and what did occur appeared to be at the hands of garages who only did what was asked of them - Prior to my ownership the last bill was for the retractable roof micro switch which allowed it to fully retract, very important indeed it was to have that working, never mind the porous sump which the level of oil could be seen on the outside, the handbrake with no more notches available, the insecure nearly chafed through ABS sensor wire, the oval misshapen wheels, rattling timing chain, intermittently working crank sensor causing it to cut out - yep to have a fully retracted canvas roof was a must. If I could reverse time, I would buy from an enthusiast on the Roadster forum, not from the Bay of E from a non mechanically minded owner. Once I've been through it, no stone unturned, it should be good for another decade or two. Watch this space.
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Last Edit: May 10, 2020 22:33:53 GMT by asdajnr
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May 11, 2020 21:00:00 GMT
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Today's skirmish with the Roadster entailed... More snaptastic bolts. That last bolt just refused all attempts to remove it including welding a washer then a nut on. It just snapped. Not all was lost though as I managed to part the engine from the subframe. Engine on the floor with the waterproof tea towel for company. Wasn't the smoothest of transitions without a hoist so I temporarily bolted the sump back on as something sacrificial to rest it on. View through the engine bay is just boxes of bits. Whether I'll remember where It all came from is another thing. Hopefully I won't get any bits mucking fuddled up. View from the rear minus engine & subframe. Just the de-dion axle, suspension & wheels. All the suspension, de-dion and subframe will be getting a refurb as there is plenty of surface rust and grot. It's the same on the tridion which although galvanised is showing signs of surface rust. A skin back to clean metal, a modicum of Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80 and a suitable top coat to seal it. I'm yet to decide what top coat. Open to suggestions. Next task is head and timing cover off then gear box split. I think Mr Rusted Fixing is going to hamper me again. The upper of the two rusty fixings seen in the right is the sliding pin that holds the timing chain tensioner in place. Supposedly a stud can be wound into it and a slide hammer used to drift it out....I can't see any threads yet though! Need to source an engine stand next so I can get the engine off the floor...my knees & back are killing me.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2020 21:32:43 GMT by asdajnr
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