melle
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I plan to move the fuses and relays in my '77 Saab 95 (currently "under restoration") from the engine side of the firewall into the cabin, and replace the torpedo fuses with blades. I already have a solution for the relays (also see the pic of my 96 below), can anyone recommend a neat looking compact universal blade fuse box with bottom connections that holds about 20 fuses? The ones on eBay are 12-way max and/ or very bulky and/ or have side connections. A modular system like I use for the relays would work as well, as would something from a specific car that I can modify to fit.
Something like this, although rather expensive at about £130, would be ideal, but I don't think you can get them in Europe. This one is dual circuit, but would need modifying because I need 4 fuses on one circuit (ignition off) and the others on the second (ignition on).
This is the mess in my '70 96, I want the 95's engine bay to look a bit less cluttered.  |
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Feb 12, 2020 10:06:52 GMT
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I used 2 12 way ones with back entry wiring, they were pre-wired so need splicing or additional connectors, didn't cost much and quality isn't fantastic but they seem to do the job.  This is part way through assembly once finished the wiring was bound into 2 loom branches. |
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moglite
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Feb 12, 2020 10:34:36 GMT
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I like me a fusebox with buss bars - suits my wiring style So I've got one of these on my desk that I'm pondering a rewire of my Morris Oxford with  Available from here Altec AutomotiveIt isn't bottom entry like you asked or particularly compact, but their other stuff such as their Modular system is worth a look Hope it helps |
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Feb 12, 2020 10:34:46 GMT
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Car builders solutions has 20 way micro fuse boxes for about £7, albeit without pigtails to wire them up.
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melle
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Feb 12, 2020 11:24:18 GMT
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Car builders solutions has 20 way micro fuse boxes for about £7, albeit without pigtails to wire them up. Do you have a link? Don't see it on their website. kevins , where did you get yours? moglite , thanks for the link, very useful! |
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Feb 12, 2020 11:39:15 GMT
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melle
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Feb 12, 2020 11:43:21 GMT
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Thanks tristanh, I also only saw the 16-way ones. I may well build something up from their modular components. |
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Feb 13, 2020 19:04:55 GMT
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I had a closer look at the MTA modular system Car Builder Solutions has ( PoleVolt sells the same components at a slightly better price by the way); unfortunately my headlight relay doesn't fit in the two-way standard relay modules. Also, I would need 5 modules (1x fuses + 4x two-way standard relay), a frame, terminals and perhaps a lid (that may not fit due to the height of some of my relays), which totals at over £60.
So, I just bought below beauties combined for less than half of that; not sure which one I'll use for the 95, I'll probably stick the other one in the 96.
Seat Alhambra/ VW Sharan/ Ford Galaxy, to be used with the relay sockets I already have.
Jaguar XJ8, I hope this will house my headlamp relay. The plastic curse word around it can be removed and it's complete with the plugs at the rear. Does anyone happen to have a lid for one of these kicking about? I know it'll need cutting a few holes in it because some of my relays will be too high, but I think it'll look better with a lid.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:38:22 GMT
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If you’re doing a full rewire I’d just buy a universal loom kit. You get all the wire pre-labelled and everything else bar the lights and switches really. They generally come with stuff line the relays all fitted and has headlamp plugs etc with it.
Some are good, some are wibblepoo, (avoid rebel wire in my experience) but maxpeedingrods on eBay do one for £85 which is the exact same item with the same pictures certain US suppliers charge £225 for!
They’re 21 circuit with all the relays built in and all prewired with labelled circuits and tracer wires.
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melle
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Feb 13, 2020 22:19:29 GMT
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If you’re doing a full rewire I’d just buy a universal loom kit. Where's the fun in that.  No need for a complete re-wire, I have a few excellent condition Saab looms. I'm just replacing the torpedo-type fuses with a new fuse box with blades, which I want inside the cab instead of on the other side of the bulkhead in the engine bay. I'm also fitting a few non-standard electric gizmos (fan, fuel pump, spots, afr-gauge) that need relays and extra wires. I'll remove all the existing stiff plastic loom sheathing and use fresh loom tape when the new wires have been spliced in. |
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Can you use a fusebox from a saab 900? They sit between the front and inner wing and are quite easy to get hold of
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moglite
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Feb 15, 2020 12:15:07 GMT
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No good for the original poster, as these aren't bottom entry, but looks handy as a universal fuse box  A bit more compact than the other one I posted. Shame the cover is so bulky. But what isn't completly obvious, is this has a bus bar for both positive and negative, which could make for a tidy install. Available on Amazon in 6 and 12 way versionsHope it helps |
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Feb 15, 2020 13:37:52 GMT
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Can you use a fusebox from a saab 900? They sit between the front and inner wing and are quite easy to get hold of Something I considered (I also have a 900), but they're huge and people ask ridiculous money for them. Two 9000 engine fuse boxes would also work, but I think one of the ones I've just bought will work well enough. 900  9000:  |
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Feb 15, 2020 21:49:21 GMT
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Totally forgot about the 9000 fusebox - It looks good in there, and you could add the ABS fusebox if you need more?
Should of recommended the 9000 fusebox in the first place!
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melle
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Feb 15, 2020 22:04:13 GMT
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The 9000 ones are quite bulky for what they are, not ideal for what I want. Anyway, sorted now, just found a lid for the Jag box on eBay as well.
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Waaaaaay over my budget. I've now also bought a smaller Jag box for the tow bar wiring:  Jaguar XJ8, I hope this will house my headlamp relay. I can now confirm that a double relay fits perfectly fine in the bigger Jag box. |
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Hmmm, this turned out to be a little more involved than I anticipated. I took the Jag boxes apart (I now have a big one and two small ones) and found they have a PCB rather than a plastic bracket with removable terminals. I had some fun with a continuity tester, but mapping what connects to what for each and every pin is quite the task! I think what I'll do is simply cut the two halves apart (they are two folded sheets, like a book) which will break most of the existing connections; the remaining connections that are on the same side of the board and interfere with what I want to do with it should be easy enough to break as well. When all redundant connections have been removed I can solder wires directly from the fuse/ relay terminals to the pins for the plugs. I also have one 5-pin relay for which I'll need to fit an extra terminal (the plastic covers already have five slots for each relay). If this method fails it should be easy enough to transfer the hole pattern for the terminals onto a new board and then connect the terminals with wires. I'm not going to bother designing a new PCB I'm afraid.
Also, I didn't find a good way to remove the old terminals from the plugs (none of my terminal tools fit), so I just ripped them out, unfortunately breaking off little retaining tabs inside that hold the terminals in place. If the new ones are loose I'm sure my glue gun will make short work of that.
 
Can anyone ID my plug terminals? They fit 2.6 and 5.8mm male terminals and the PCB is made by Lear if that helps. They're not the usual AMP Junior Power Timer or Delphi terminals and I can't find anything like it in an online Lear catalogue.
The Alhambra/ Sharan/ Galaxy fuse box came with its own challenge. It's easy enough to remove most of the old wires with the correct terminal tool ( Laser 3932 for AMP Junior Power Timer terminals), but most of the positive side wiring comes in sections of 6 interconnected terminals, that require 6 terminal tools to remove. Since I only have one tool, I tried using pieces of paperclip, but the terminals wouldn't budge unfortunately. I think I'll just solder my wiring onto what's left dangling off the fusebox, should work fine, just not how I like it.
Anyway, this is certainly not the most efficient way to improve the fuse/ relay situation in my cars, but I'm sure the end result will be nice and tidy. At least it keeps me out of mischief for a while!
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No need for a complete re-wire, I have a few excellent condition Saab looms. I'm just replacing the torpedo-type fuses with a new fuse box with blades, which I want inside the cab instead of on the other side of the bulkhead in the engine bay. I'm also fitting a few non-standard electric gizmos (fan, fuel pump, spots, afr-gauge) that need relays and extra wires. I'll remove all the existing stiff plastic loom sheathing and use fresh loom tape when the new wires have been spliced in.
