mylittletony
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Aug 19, 2023 20:59:18 GMT
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Thanks Mr. Tea, I wouldn't dare attempt a repair on clothing... I'm starting to notice a trend with this car, I'm going to call it "mini success followed by drastic failure" Following on from my cosmetic mini wins this afternoon, I trundled up to Redhill early eve. Parked up and had a chat with an ex-RRer, then decided to go for a lap. It was BUSY, very slow... Towards the end of the night I noticed the gearbox was being a bit grumpy. Hoped it may benefit from the nice cool evening drive home, but it's started doing the slip while pulling away thing and now also not really changing when it should. Buggerations. I was put it in the garage to check the gearbox fluid. This is running, hot and having cycled through the gears Apparently way too much fluid, despite behaving like it's low. So I don't know what that's about or where the extra fluid has magically appeared from... To add to my misery, it then kettled itself, all over the engine bay, windscreen and garage floor So that lovely cool evening air doesn't work apparently! Bloody marvellous
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Aug 19, 2023 21:24:40 GMT
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Liked for solidarity not for the problems :-)
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glenanderson
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Aug 19, 2023 21:34:50 GMT
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Ditto ☝️
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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jamesd1972
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Aug 19, 2023 21:41:52 GMT
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What they said. James
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Thanks Phil, I tried to get a material that complimented what's there as matching it for an 'invisible' repair would involve buying material from SMS and then being much neater than I have the skills for. The leak makes me feel quite a bit better, it has sat for some time before doing this, after getting nice and warm. Cheers Gravity is horrible to try and work against. I have a hard enough time with carpet, headliner I'm terrible at. Think of the leak as rust prevention. Keep it positive! Doesn't that gearbox have to be checked after it's warmed up and cycled through D/R/D/R a few times? Probably the converter hasn't filled up properly, if it's not bled itself then it'll act like it's low on oil and slip excessively. Roof looks good. It's been too hot and sunny here to wash or polish mine, it's gone chalky.
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2023 2:13:16 GMT by PhilA
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Yup, liked for support.
I am still at the earliest of days with the van and know it will surprise me one day.
The A10 never seems to put a foot wring, which is great.
Hope you love it again this morning.
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mylittletony
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Gravity is horrible to try and work against. I have a hard enough time with carpet, headliner I'm terrible at. Think of the leak as rust prevention. Keep it positive! Doesn't that gearbox have to be checked after it's warmed up and cycled through D/R/D/R a few times? Probably the converter hasn't filled up properly, if it's not bled itself then it'll act like it's low on oil and slip excessively. Roof looks good. It's been too hot and sunny here to wash or polish mine, it's gone chalky. Yes working above my head led to a few choice words!! That fluid reading was taking moments before the steam incident, after a long drive and I had shuffled it into the garage, so it had had a few cycles and was definitely up to temp. I'll see what happens today, might try and rinse off the coolant and dry it in the sun at least. Feeling very cheesed off though...
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Rich
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I'll see what happens today, might try and rinse off the coolant and dry it in the sun at least. Feeling very cheesed off though... I know those feels. Everything underneath the dodge from the radiator til about the back of the gearbox has BROOOOOOWN on it from the radiator cap blowing out the ‘coolant’
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2023 8:48:05 GMT by Rich
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mylittletony
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I know those feels. Everything underneath the dodge from the radiator til about the back of the gearbox has BROOOOOOWN on it from the radiator cap blowing out the ‘coolant’ There's a chance the overheating may be my own doing... While I was trying to find the leak, not so long ago, I used water to top it up because it kept falling out everywhere. I've never actually got round to swapping out for a coolant mix since it stopped leaking... Water boils at a lower temp than coolant, so maybe that'll be enough. I've also found I have hose in stock so I can direct overflow towards the floor rather than at my master cylinder. Anyone got any advice on coolant flushes while I'm at it?
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Aug 20, 2023 11:56:54 GMT
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In this warm weather two things to check
Float level in the carb, lean it'll run hot if the level is low because the fuel is boiling. Ignition, you'll easily steam up an otherwise healthy 8 like that if the timing is off.
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Aug 20, 2023 15:30:00 GMT
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mylittletony
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Aug 20, 2023 15:43:52 GMT
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In this warm weather two things to check Float level in the carb, lean it'll run hot if the level is low because the fuel is boiling. Ignition, you'll easily steam up an otherwise healthy 8 like that if the timing is off. I had my own thoughts about the timing, it does feel like it gets generally too hot... And after your comments thought I'd check it Timings marks (I've checked TDC is right previously) It looks like one is TDC and the other is 6-8deg I managed by luck to get a perfect picture while idling Which puts me at about 12deg. Vac advance gives about 20deg. Half of the internet says 6-8 and the other half says 12! Maybe I should bring it back a few degrees and see if it improves... Thoughts please! I *really* don't want to strip my carb down to adjust the bowls...
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Aug 20, 2023 17:02:15 GMT
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I had my own thoughts about the timing, it does feel like it gets generally too hot... And after your comments thought I'd check it Timings marks (I've checked TDC is right previously) It looks like one is TDC and the other is 6-8deg I managed by luck to get a perfect picture while idling Which puts me at about 12deg. Vac advance gives about 20deg. Half of the internet says 6-8 and the other half says 12! Maybe I should bring it back a few degrees and see if it improves... Thoughts please! I *really* don't want to strip my carb down to adjust the bowls... It's such a big lazy engine it'll run anywhere in about a 40 degree arc of timing. 12° is a bit much, especially if you're putting in E5 or E10, somewhere closer to 8-10° should see it run cooler. Get the timing right first, then tweak the carb. Doubt it's dirty, likely if it's running that warm it'll be boiling up. I didn't see, does it have a phenolic insulating spacer between the carb and manifold? Also considered checking if the transmission has provision for connecting to the cooler? I see it's just plugged. Does the fan run all the time or just when it gets hot? These were designed for big ol' mechanical fan circulating all the time...
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2023 17:11:09 GMT by PhilA
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mylittletony
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Aug 20, 2023 20:26:37 GMT
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It's such a big lazy engine it'll run anywhere in about a 40 degree arc of timing. 12° is a bit much, especially if you're putting in E5 or E10, somewhere closer to 8-10° should see it run cooler. Get the timing right first, then tweak the carb. Doubt it's dirty, likely if it's running that warm it'll be boiling up. I didn't see, does it have a phenolic insulating spacer between the carb and manifold? Also considered checking if the transmission has provision for connecting to the cooler? I see it's just plugged. Does the fan run all the time or just when it gets hot? These were designed for big ol' mechanical fan circulating all the time... Thanks Phil I'll notch it back a couple of degrees. Yes it does have a phenolic spacer, I think best part of an inch thick. The trans was plumbed into the bottom of the rad originally, but last year during my previous saga, I plumbed in a separate cooler up front. And the fan only comes on when it gets hot, can't remember what temp the switch is rated at either, but it's not an adjustable one...
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Aug 20, 2023 21:40:35 GMT
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Yeah, see how it gets on with a little less timing.
You might be able to tweak the mix up a touch too. What the plugs look like?
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Headlining looks a great improvement, a thought on the cooling, does the fan draw air over the trans cooler as well as the rad? As Phil said the original fan would be a large engine driven one pulling at least a couple of KW, I don't know what you have but you probably need a fan pack something like they put on a modern van.
The boiling point of water at 1.5 bar is around 110 degress C, you shouldn't be getting that hot so I don't think water vs coolant is an issue (might be worth checking your pressure cap is sealing though)
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mylittletony
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Aug 21, 2023 13:56:04 GMT
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Hi both, I've not pulled a plug as yet. I've got a fairly generic fan, similar to this: link (same brand and style, not 100% on size, but as big as could fit in the width of the rad) Due to the trans cooler being fitted as an afterthought, it's upstream of the fan, which due to packaging constraints is pushing through the rad. So it goes: Grill -> trans cooler -> fan -> rad -> engine bay
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mylittletony
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Aug 21, 2023 13:58:46 GMT
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Some context on previous works Status update on the gearbox cooler: I had a poke around in front of the radiator and the space is much smaller than I first thought. I removed the grill, which is much easier if you remove the headlights. Then I chose a spot for the cooler The hoses are going to run through the side mounting panel for the radiator I decided to use some angle brackets I already had, they lined up well with the cooler and with a tweak to the angle will attach to the front apron piece nicely. Next job was to get it up in the air, not as easy as it sounds given how tight it is in the garage... The back is up on some home made wooden ramps. Then I got the front higher on axle stands under the frame rails This gives me access to this chunky sump pan I read a tip to undo the sump from one end which allows the fluid to dribble out without the whole thing falling on you/the floor, this actually worked quite well Double drip tray for safety. After a lot of faff trying to remove the sump, I realised I had to lower the cross member, so unbolted most of it while the back of the box was supported on a jack. This is what greeted me Not great, but not terrible. There's obviously a fair bit of residue, but no bits. It doesn't smell burnt really, maybe a little worse than fresh oil? It's still pretty red. It's probably done about 500 miles since the last fluid change, but that could have flushed all manner of curse word out of the circuits. I've got everything crossed a fluid and filter change will be ok. Speaking of which, I removed the filter and fitted the new one. Current sitrep: the sump is refitted but only with a few bolts to hold it in place, I had to come in for tea... New dipstick still to be fitted. New pipes still to be made. Also, I whipped the speedo cable out and ran it with the drill. This resulted in no reading at the speedo itself, so I think I've messed something up at the back of the cluster - great. I removed a very home made looking extension to the internal of the cable when fitting the new one and threw it in the bin. I now think I might need it, so have the unenviable task of going through my garage bin to find this extension... I hope I don't sound too negative as it was a pretty productive week squeezing in around a wife recovering from COVID, school runs, housework, normal work, school fair today and nieces coming to stay
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jamesd1972
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Aug 21, 2023 18:41:28 GMT
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From somewhat wonky memory increasing the %antifreeze increases the boiling temp slightly but at the same time reduces the heat capacity of the coolant. Sure somebody who actually knows their sh1t will be along to correct me but I believe that antifreeze is there as a corrosion inhibitor and antifreeze not to aid cooling. Hope it comes together for you, still looking good ! James
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Correct, water has one of the highest specific heat capacities of all liquids. Adding antifreeze does reduce it.
There tends to be some bollards on forums about radiators and cooling, there's a Noble prize for some of them if they could prove the physics behind the ideas!
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Last Edit: Aug 22, 2023 8:07:21 GMT by crockpot
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