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It should fail the MOT as they should check the airbag warning light operation as part of the test.
I believe it will also fail for not having the airbag if it is obvious that it was originally fitted with one.
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Alternatively it has been known for some unscrupulous people to wire lights like these onto diesel glow plug relays, which gives the requisite time illuminated before going out. But of course you'd never consider that would you grizz, being the fine upstanding gentleman you are 🤭 Edit _ not sure if it's the same with airbag systems, but I was told a while ago by someone who should know that an abs system can be removed so long as it's done in its entirety, but I don't know if that depends on the year? |
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homersimpson is right. Does it have other air bags around the cabin that would indicate to a tester they were fitted? Usual way this is dealt with is a resistor in the connector to fool the system into 'seeing' all is good.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Did you not get the “right” steering wheel in part of your horse trading early on? If you did, you could just refit it for the test, then swap back.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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As mentioned, it should fail for not having the air bag if originally fitted - but how many Chevy pickups will your MOT tester seen?
Tape back over the light in the cluster and I bet he/she never even mentions it.
If they do - "never had one from new in the US, mate . . ."
In September 2020, they pulled the guidance on airbags that said there was no legal requirement for an airbag - i guess it caused conflicts with the rules that say if it originally had one, it had to had one unless modified for competition.
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Did you not get the “right” steering wheel in part of your horse trading early on? If you did, you could just refit it for the test, then swap back. Sounds like a good plan if the "cross fingers and hope" Plan A fails . . . With the computorised recording of fails now, you can't simply keep going to different testers until one doesn't notice anymore |
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grizz, take the bulb out for the airbag warning light. It isnt a fail if it doesn't light up  And put the correctly spaced number plates on there too, so you don't then moan about it failing on number plate spacing  (Most testers wont know/care about the steering wheel NOT having an airbag)
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Progress at Craigs place in Sandford near Whitchurch in Shropshire Casting the two large slabs, yes there is a second one too, being cast today for a rather large shed. So a concrete pump at £380.00 set up and £80.00 per added hour and a few more costs, its not cheap. Concrete is being made up on site by an amazing machine. 10 cubic meters.  Mixing on site.  Pumping  All the way up to the top. Over the second sheds steel reinforcing.  Looking forward to seeing this completed. Still looking for cheap sleepers nearby. Concrete or wood. |
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My neighbour has a pile of wooden sleepers available FOC, but probably not nearby enough for you?
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My neighbour has a pile of wooden sleepers available FOC, but probably not nearby enough for you? Thanks Phil, Let’s see what comes out of it all, including Craigs “Man Maths” |
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Amazingly, I have now owned this truck for a year, or 1000 miles of use. MOT is due the end of the month and tax yesterday. I am hoping it will pass the MOT…… EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. Airbag light in the dash. The steering was replaced with a non airbag sports unit before I got the truck and the light covered by a bit of tape. Now to me, that makes sense and I do not have a problem with that. However……. What is the general consensus and also who has tested cars like that before ? Thanks. Connection of the lamp in parallel with the oil pressure warning one would fix that. And you won't need your hammer.  Ahh yes, hammers and electrical faults don’t always go together well. I am busy fixing the problem….. kinda. It should fail the MOT as they should check the airbag warning light operation as part of the test. I believe it will also fail for not having the airbag if it is obvious that it was originally fitted with one. I agree, it should fail. So replacing the airbagged steering wheel just for the test, and then fitting the sports wheel out on the sidewalk after the test should work 😉 Alternatively it has been known for some unscrupulous people to wire lights like these onto diesel glow plug relays, which gives the requisite time illuminated before going out. But of course you'd never consider that would you grizz, being the fine upstanding gentleman you are 🤭 Edit _ not sure if it's the same with airbag systems, but I was told a while ago by someone who should know that an abs system can be removed so long as it's done in its entirety, but I don't know if that depends on the year? Not a diesel, its a Petrol V6 But you are right, there are ways and means. homersimpson is right. Does it have other air bags around the cabin that would indicate to a tester they were fitted? Usual way this is dealt with is a resistor in the connector to fool the system into 'seeing' all is good. The guy who sold me the airbagged steering wheel and other parts was going to send me a resistor, never did. But he had done that to his S10, successfully Did you not get the “right” steering wheel in part of your horse trading early on? If you did, you could just refit it for the test, then swap back. Correct. You do remember it all ehh. As mentioned, it should fail for not having the air bag if originally fitted - but how many Chevy pickups will your MOT tester seen? Tape back over the light in the cluster and I bet he/she never even mentions it. If they do - "never had one from new in the US, mate . . ." In September 2020, they pulled the guidance on airbags that said there was no legal requirement for an airbag - i guess it caused conflicts with the rules that say if it originally had one, it had to had one unless modified for competition. I think there are testers out there who use common sense and some logic, but others are a hazard, best avoided. Did you not get the “right” steering wheel in part of your horse trading early on? If you did, you could just refit it for the test, then swap back. Sounds like a good plan if the "cross fingers and hope" Plan A fails . . . With the computorised recording of fails now, you can't simply keep going to different testers until one doesn't notice anymore Agreed, hence fixing it before heading put, then unfixing it afterwards. grizz, take the bulb out for the airbag warning light. It isnt a fail if it doesn't light up And put the correctly spaced number plates on there too, so you don't then moan about it failing on number plate spacing (Most testers wont know/care about the steering wheel NOT having an airbag) If I could get to the light, without destroying the dash etc I would. So in the mean time, I decided to rather than fight them, just put things right for the testers. No need to stress them out, is there.  I am sure these look much nicer than the American style items. |
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I'm glad he went for "Best Concrete", and not something like "Second Best Concrete". |
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Despite constant updates, the tester's manual is not comprehensive. The latest on airbags:
"7.1.5. Airbags
This inspection is for all airbags fitted as original equipment other than on Class 3 vehicles.
A passenger airbag that is switched off is not a defect.
Defect Category
(a) An airbag fitted as original equipment obviously missing Major
(b) Not in use
(c) An airbag obviously inoperative Major
7.1.6. Supplementary restraint system (SRS)
The SRS MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) should only be failed if it is indicating a system malfunction. A lamp illuminated to indicate the passenger airbag is disabled is not to be regarded as a defect.
Warning messages on dashboard displays are not a defect in their own right, but may assist the tester in determining that the warning lamp is illuminated because a malfunction exists."
Thus an airbag which has been removed (but not obviously) is not a defect, nor is a warning lamp which does not illuminate. If it has been disabled, or circumvented so that it is non operational it may not be recorded as a defect. If circumvented of course, the tester would not even be aware of the fact.
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2021 17:07:01 GMT by etypephil
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Err, Defect (a). that's why I asked about any other air bags that might indicate a full SRS system.
Switched off relates to pasenger airbags which can be de-activated for child seat fitment in the front. My 66 plate Scirocco has this as does my 04 Porsche, neither of which throw a MIl or more importantly SRS light when de-activated.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Not picking holes grizz, I didn't mean yours was a diesel, I meant a generic diesel glow plug timer relay would switch on and then after a few seconds switch off again. Much better to fix it properly, even if you revert back to the steering wheel you want after the (successful) test 👍 |
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You want something around a 2.2-2.7ohm resistor inserted into the plug for the drivers airbag wiring to make the lamp function as intended. adding relays and botching wiring is just additional work when a resistor is pence and easily installed or removed with no harm done to the instruments or wiring. |
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2021 20:58:39 GMT by Rich
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You want something around a 2.2-2.7ohm resistor inserted into the plug for the drivers airbag wiring to make the lamp function as intended. adding relays and botching wiring is just additional work when a resistor is pence and easily installed or removed with no harm done to the instruments or wiring. So clever, yet simple. No moe Maplins, so needs a Plan B I guess. Then some fumbling in the dark, trying to find the hole. |
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Try ebay, 10 for 99p free postage
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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Rich
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You want something around a 2.2-2.7ohm resistor inserted into the plug for the drivers airbag wiring to make the lamp function as intended. adding relays and botching wiring is just additional work when a resistor is pence and easily installed or removed with no harm done to the instruments or wiring. So clever, yet simple. No moe Maplins, so needs a Plan B I guess. Then some fumbling in the dark, trying to find the hole. For diagnostic purposes obviously, allows quick diag of line or squib fault, but it's handy to determine what one you want to install and comes with sets of resistors. You pin it into the plug, dial it into a resistance and cycle the ignition letting the SRS ECU self check and if your lamp goes out, bingo. That's the one you need. I would imagine it will self check itself as ok if it sees the correct resistance. |
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2021 22:59:58 GMT by Rich
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👍 That's basically a decade box, I have one like this LINKY most people involved in electronics will have something similar, a very handy thing to have |
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Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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