yoeddynz
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I've just read this thread through and loved every minute. Great entertaining style of writing and also, well... I do love an old rusty truck. Please do keep the updates flowing in. However- the file size on your photos caused the entire internets on the south Island of NZ to crash when I tried to load them. Photos of 1900 x 1200 is a good size for threads without taking ages to load (some parts of NZs internet still runs on steam. Our phoneline has only just recently had a string upgrade and new plastic cups) The Bedford TK Hannah owned in Oxford had a decent amount of rot. It was non-structural and we wanted a quick fix but moving with the times we adopted new technolgy. No more chicken wire or newspaper. Instead it was a can of expanding foam that came to the rescue and it worked wonders. It was a lovely wee truck that... A friend owns an RL only about 3 miles away from us. He has talked through about bringing it down to our workshop for some rust repairs to the cab. If its anything like yours I think it'll destroy his wallet.
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Frankenhealey
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If its anything like yours I think it'll destroy his wallet. Every one of them, they all destroy our wallets
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Frankenhealey
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My wife knows this, which is why I'm not allowed the AEC Militant that I've seen for sale online. Now you've ruined my day. I have a serious case of WANT to dissipate now. I could run that in convoy with the Goddess for the inevitable breakdown, but then what if the Militant broke down? I'd then need another just in case
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I'm still wearing my WANT face from when I saw it on Saturday. It my take a few days for these WANT faces to wear off.
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Oct 15, 2019 12:26:40 GMT
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I'm saved only by the fact that...
1 I can't afford it. 2 I've nowhere to put it. 3 I haven't time. 4 I really want a MK1.
To be fair reason 3 has never stopped me yet and... Compared to the Routemasters further down the page the Militant is very good value so reason 1 is on dodgy ground too.
Hmmmm.
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Tamber
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Oct 15, 2019 21:56:47 GMT
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I've just read this thread through and loved every minute. Great entertaining style of writing and also, well... I do love an old rusty truck. Please do keep the updates flowing in. However- the file size on your photos caused the entire internets on the south Island of NZ to crash when I tried to load them. Photos of 1900 x 1200 is a good size for threads without taking ages to load (some parts of NZs internet still runs on steam. Our phoneline has only just recently had a string upgrade and new plastic cups) Glad to hear it! I do try to keep the file sizes down, honest! When I remember...
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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Tamber
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Oct 18, 2019 22:39:15 GMT
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And so, a nice week of pottering about mostly after work has seen the tow... beam... thing removed. It's bent/twisted, and the mounting brackets aren't really up to much as far as I'm concerned. (Though, admittedly they've held so far! Really not a fan of how it's put together, though. Looks like they sat their mounting blocks on, put bolts through, then welded the I-beam to it in place along the one edge. ) I'm undecided on how I want to go about dealing with it. Not sure if I want to try and straighten the original beam, leave it as it is (bent!), or get a new piece of similarly-sized I beam and make a new bar. Whichever route I go with it, I'm going to make new mounting brackets. It was fastened on to the chassis with 3 bolts -- there's a hole for a fourth, but no bolt -- sharing the top holes for mounting the chassis irons. (The side-holes, through the web of the chassis, still have their rivets in. I think my new brackets might also use those holes too.) Continuing on... That looks a bit grim. Put it all back together and give it as much of a cooling system clean as I could. That seemed to dislodge more of the grot, but I'm pretty sure I'll need to clean the radiator out again. Most of the coolant came out clear, though, and it was just the dregs that looked like oily mud. That left me here, last night: Following the WSM, that leaves me with: - Throttle linkage & crossbar
- Capillary tube bulb for the water temperature gauge (very carefully)
- The little bit of wiring & plumbing that connects to the engine
- Clutch linkage, prop-shaft, gearbox.
- Build the special cradle for lifting the engine out, support the engine
- Front cross-member & rear engine mounts
- Pull the engine out
- Cup of tea
And then I can clean the engine off a bit better, and start tearing it apart to find out how much pain I've brought upon myself.
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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Tamber
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Oct 19, 2019 18:54:58 GMT
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- Throttle linkage & crossbar ✔️
- Capillary tube bulb for the water temperature gauge (very carefully) ✔️
- The little bit of wiring & plumbing that connects to the engine ✔️ (mostly)
- Clutch linkage, prop-shaft, gearbox...
✔️ - Build the special cradle for lifting the engine out, support the engine
- Front cross-member & rear engine mounts
- Pull the engine out
- (Sorely needed) Cup of tea...
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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glenanderson
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Oct 19, 2019 19:12:04 GMT
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Remind us again what the engine plans are; rebuild or replace?
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Oct 19, 2019 19:28:33 GMT
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So this thing... I take it this is off the front? It looks like something some muffin knocked up in the yard after a couple of pints. Not original anyway. I've been looking at photos and yours is the only one with a hitch there. I reckon that means you can do what you like with it. Including leaving it off although I think that'd be a shame. So, war time trucks had the hitches mounted on leaf springs across the chassis rails. Is yours too late for that sort of detail? I always wondered, with all that length of gear lever hanging forward... Why they didn't fall out of 2nd and 4th when you were bouncing along. James
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Tamber
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Oct 19, 2019 22:39:00 GMT
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Remind us again what the engine plans are; rebuild or replace? Plan is to rebuild, with perhaps some tweaks. Nothing irreversible, and I plan to keep any bits I take out, so that some future custodian can restore her back to factory if desired. The outline at the moment, which is fuzzy for the time being until I can start taking measurements and getting parts in hand, is that I definitely want to go fuel-injection (I have the ECU for it, already wired up and in a case, and I'll make the loom for the engine later down the line when it's all built back up.), and I'd really like to increase the static compression a bit, which will be potentially tricky. She's an old truck, I'm not planning on hot-rodding her too much... I think I'd be more open to re-powering with something else if she hadn't turned out to be a bit special, being an artillery tractor conversion. If it'd just been the average, garden-variety dropside, though, who knows! (By the numbers I have, a Cummins ISB4.5 4-cylinder is very similar in weight, with a little more torque and horsepower, with a similar red-line...) So this thing... I take it this is off the front? It looks like something some muffin knocked up in the yard after a couple of pints. Not original anyway. I've been looking at photos and yours is the only one with a hitch there. Yup, and yup! It's got all the hallmarks of garage-built (...in a rush, after a liquid lunch, on a Friday) It's anyone's guess as to which garage did the work, though... I reckon that means you can do what you like with it. Including leaving it off although I think that'd be a shame. So, war time trucks had the hitches mounted on leaf springs across the chassis rails. Is yours too late for that sort of detail? Oh, I certainly can do as I please with it. I'm just not totally certain how I want to deal with it, just yet. It's nice to have a robust hitch on the front -- and I definitely want it there -- but if I'm going to have it, it's got to be more confidence-inspiring than what it was. (I'm also tempted by the thought of also adding an electric winch to the front, but only if I can figure out a way of doing it that doesn't look gash.) Can't say I'm too keen on the idea of sticking a leaf-spring across the front, either! The RLs are a bit late for The War, though they saw their fair share of action, production starting in '53 and 11CE32 is -- I believe -- a '58. I always wondered, with all that length of gear lever hanging forward... Why they didn't fall out of 2nd and 4th when you were bouncing along. The detents are pretty good! Takes a proper knock to get from one gear to the next, without being too stiff.
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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Dez
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Oct 19, 2019 23:38:45 GMT
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You know the engines in these are basically a stovebolt Chevy with a few tweaks, right?
I suspect from your comments you already know, but don’t skim the head. Because of the funky valve geometry it messes up flow into and out of the cylinder and can actually reduce power. To up the CR you have to deck the block instead.
There’s bolt on upgrades available for them, but none would be that helpful in such a big heavy lump, you be better off staying with the stock items to maximise torque.
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Tamber
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You know the engines in these are basically a stovebolt Chevy with a few tweaks, right? Having only seen pictures of the externals of the stovebolt Chevy, it definitely looks like there's a family resemblance. I suspect from your comments you already know, but don’t skim the head. Because of the funky valve geometry it messes up flow into and out of the cylinder and can actually reduce power. To up the CR you have to deck the block instead. I've heard the usual dire warnings about trying to skim the head enough to increase compression, but they've mostly centred around it not being possible to skim it enough to make a noticeable improvement in compression without cutting through into coolant passageways. More than anything, it's a case of only having seen some very grainy & dark pictures that show the head having some incredibly deep combustion chambers. So, I want to see and measure for myself before committing to a course of action. Knowing & having measurements for the various clearances and so forth makes for a more solid ground to base a plan on. There’s bolt on upgrades available for them, but none would be that helpful in such a big heavy lump, you be better off staying with the stock items to maximise torque. Cynically, I'm not expecting much of anything in the way of bolt-on parts. (Even bearing in mind the usual adage about "bolt-on" parts.) And half the fun is in the discovery & struggle anyway. Why buy a manifold when I can spend longer, and put more work in, building something!
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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Frankenhealey
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Having endlessly looked at the Goddess’ lack of hill climbing ability I looked at the options and if I was to retain the Bedford lump the only thing that made any sense (to me) was to stick a turbo on it to raise the compression.
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Tamber
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Oct 20, 2019 12:13:57 GMT
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Having endlessly looked at the Goddess’ lack of hill climbing ability I looked at the options and if I was to retain the Bedford lump the only thing that made any sense (to me) was to stick a turbo on it to raise the compression. Well, it's certainly an option I've considered. Time will tell what I actually end up doing, though...
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Gone!
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Oct 20, 2019 13:35:43 GMT
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For the front bumper, hitch...that Militant front end looks pretty cool.....just sayin. JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Oct 20, 2019 18:05:58 GMT
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How about a big supercharger? With low compression anyway it would be a good way to get around having to raise compressions otherwise. Geared correctly you should be able to start making boost at just above idle up to maybe 3000 rpm, if it's going above that regularly then adding a turbo as well should get things moving.
Have you thought of going LPG as well to keep running costs "reasonable"
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glenanderson
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Oct 20, 2019 18:30:11 GMT
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Would a 5-speed gearbox add some flexibility into the mix?
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Oct 20, 2019 18:48:28 GMT
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Would a 5-speed gearbox add some flexibility into the mix? 13 speed Eaton would give more
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