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Albeit on a smaller scale, that engine bay looks almost as complicated as your XJS.
You do take nice care of your vehicles, BTW... always good to catch up n.
John
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Love a hydraulic Citroen! Really must get my BX going again (although it's not quite as nice as your Xantia).
Will keep an eye on this thread as there's always good stuff to learn. Didn't know about the anti-foaming properties of LHM breaking down over time (mostly because it's had two major leaks on the LHM return line so it's been 'flushed' and refilled at least twice!).
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Albeit on a smaller scale, that engine bay looks almost as complicated as your XJS. You do take nice care of your vehicles, BTW... always good to catch up n. John I think the difference is that it's reasonably apparent what everything in the Xantia engine bay does. Quite a bit of the visual complexity is simply down to it being turbocharged, due to the orientation of the engine and the intercooler being front mounted a certain degree of over complicated plumbing was inevitable. Plus being well into the cat equipped era there's a bit more emission control kit. There's obviously a bit more by way of suspension equipment in there too by virtue of it being the Activa. There's a whole additional valve block with its own sphere and all the associated pipework hidden under the battery tray compared to a standard car. Most of that is pretty well tucked away though so it's not really obvious (which is why it's such a pain when one of the suspension lines fail).
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Plastidip?
Is that the factory clear that's failed, or something done as a repair/repaint?
Maybe it could sneak in for some Grumpy refinish, like that lovely red van...
John
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Jul 20, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
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There's a 50/50 mix of original and resprayed paint. The roof and bonnet were repainted at some point in the past. The bonnet is currently peel free I believe but the roof has properly started blowing the clearcoat again.
Realistically the whole car wants stripping back to bare metal and resprayed. Just hard to justify the cost!
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Jul 20, 2020 11:29:19 GMT
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I saw a 2.0T Activa at a car meet last week, and it was exactly like yours down to the lacquer peeling off on it as well. So I guess it's pretty common thing for this colour. I own 3 Xantias (+1 for spares) one of which is a 1997 Athena in a slightly darker shade of red and it has no lacquer peel whatsoever, it's just starting to rot a bit. I once saw a dark blue Xantia with lacquer peel similar to yours, but then again my 1995 dark green one has none. My dark green spares car has completely lost the clearcoat on its bootlid but is pretty good elsewhere. I'd probably try to apply some new clear on the areas that have lost it, but am also aware that it probably wouldn't look too good unless you can remove all of the original clear. But it's the same with plastidip really, it's not such a thick layer that you couldn't see the lines where lacquer has chipped off. Speaking of Xantias, I also have a silver V6 Exclusive Break (with no peel) which I'm about to burn to the ground. I did the cam block resealing job as it was dripping oil on its exhaust manifolds and after getting it all together it still seems to leak. Less, but still enough to generate some smoke from the oil dripping on the manifolds. A huge job I'd really rather not do again. I much prefer the simple 4-cylinder engines as they have far less problems with keeping their oil inside them. Take good care of yours, with the regular Xantias feeling rather confident around bends I can only imagine how the Activa corners! PS. As for the colour, I personally think red suits Xantias the best. But a dark green like Vert Vega isn't bad either, as demonstrated by my summer daily driver.
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Jul 20, 2020 13:17:30 GMT
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The boot lids all seem prone to it, guessing it's a different paint formula or something with it being plastic. Or maybe it flexes more? Not sure! Dante red seems to be the colour overall that suffers from the most horrendous peel issues though.
As for cornering, yes. It's quite uncanny how it can change direction without the laws of physics seeming to have any effect. Especially when coming off roundabouts where you expect the sudden left-right weight shift to do something...the Activa just stays absolutely flat through that.
Getting back into anything else afterwards feels like it's leaning like a 2CV the first time you go into a corner.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Jul 27, 2020 20:56:00 GMT
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After what seems like forever I finally have this bush for the Xantia's suspension in my hand. Despite coming from an eBay shop which didn't mention the name anywhere, it came in an AutoDoc box with an AutoDoc invoice...I'd never normally voluntarily buy from them given the history of sending out completely the wrong part that's on part with Euro Car Parts...However it appears that this is actually correct by some miracle. While changing it looks a deceptively simple job, apparently getting the old bush off can be a right pain so I'm sticking with my decision to get the garage to do that work. It's booked in for a week tomorrow, and I'll hopefully have the car back a few days later with a fresh MOT. Only taken me eight months! 22mpg will seem positively frugal after using the Jag daily for a while!
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Jul 27, 2020 21:06:17 GMT
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After what seems like forever I finally have this bush for the Xantia's suspension in my hand. Despite coming from an eBay shop which didn't mention the name anywhere, it came in an AutoDoc box with an AutoDoc invoice...I'd never normally voluntarily buy from them given the history of sending out completely the wrong part that's on part with Euro Car Parts...However it appears that this is actually correct by some miracle. While changing it looks a deceptively simple job, apparently getting the old bush off can be a right pain so I'm sticking with my decision to get the garage to do that work. It's booked in for a week tomorrow, and I'll hopefully have the car back a few days later with a fresh MOT. Only taken me eight months! 22mpg will seem positively frugal after using the Jag daily for a while! Sometimes the easy jobs are the pain in the back side, case in point - a horrible clunk from my Mondeo, took it to the garage today thinking engine mount/lower arm to find it was a droplink. Normally I'd bring it home and do it myself but needed the car back today for work tomorrow so let him do it. Glad I did as it took a plasma cutter to get one of them off, something I'd have fannied around for hours trying to do at home. So now I don't feel lazy, neither should you
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Jul 27, 2020 22:06:33 GMT
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I've been twirling spanners since I was about ten...and my first years on the road included fun games like trying to change ball joints and snapping critical suspension bolts and being 20 miles from nowhere with a car now one wheel short of being roadworthy to go and get the parts needed to repair it...and then spend days crawling around on a gravel driveway in the middle of December with the wrong tools trying to bodge things back together.
I've now reached a point in life where I've decided it's good value for money to get a garage to do jobs like this.
I've a basic rule these days that any jobs that involve dismantling suspension or steering get done by a garage...then if something goes snap in the middle of the job it's somewhere that has the right kit to sort it out. Especially bleeping ball joints! I have a bad history with those.
Okay, I do a few suspension jobs on Xantias...but they're strange cars and some jobs are far easier on them than other cars. Or they don't scare me as much for some reason anyway. Rear spheres can be a pig though when they've not been off for a few years though...
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:02:56 GMT
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With the Xantia heading in for remedial work and an MOT at the start of next week I figured it was probably time to set about removing the cobwebs and pine needles from the interior. I always try to present my car for the test in a reasonable state as I figure making a good first impression can never hurt. The tester jumping into a car that's obviously cared for despite being worth about the same amount as the fuel in the tank is always going to put them in a better frame of mind than one they have to don full hazmat gear to get into. While the clearcoat peel let's the exterior down the interior still scrubs up will for a 24 year old, 140K mile car.
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Last Edit: Jul 28, 2020 17:05:36 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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village
Part of things
Always carries a toolbox. Because Volkswagen.......
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Jul 29, 2020 20:19:50 GMT
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If I had a car that went round a corner like an Activa, I wouldn't give a good god damn what it looked like!
Having said that, my last car went round a corner like a potato, and I still didn't care what it looked like......
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Aug 29, 2020 10:32:44 GMT
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My local garage has been snowed under lately, meaning the Xantia has been sitting out the back of their place for three weeks awaiting time on the ramp...to try to remedy this, they have asked a local Citroen expert (in a strange twist of fate, the car's former keeper) to help out. So I've been lending a hand too. The issue we started out with was a failed lower control arm bush. Swapping this turned out to be slightly more of a headache than it might have been as the nut on the bottom balljoint refused to come off...so the whole wishbone had to come off complete with the hub still attached. Next couple of photos are courtesy of the gent who's been doing most of the work. Don't worry, the brake caliper was also tied up after the photo was taken, not left precariously balanced on that box. She's also wanting new brake pads so those will be swapped while we're in there. Looks like the caliper has been touching the edge of the disc as well so that will be given a clean up. The car's been sitting since November so not surprised there's a little rust there. Turned out that both the bush mentioned by the MOT tester *and* the rear "P" bush were stuffed...so they're both getting changed. It was noted around the point the MOT was running out that the battery was struggling. It was still under warranty (fitted in December 2018), and Costco swapped it yesterday without any quibbles. Turned out there was a reason for this. The suspension on the Xantia wakes up when it detects a door or the boot opened, which can be detected if you know to look for it, by a quiet whining noise from the electrovalves. While he was working on the car it was noticed that the system wasn't always going to sleep as it should have. The culprit was (as is often the case apparently) the switch in the boot latch. This has now been defeated (unplugged!). Hopefully the battery will stop going flat now. I'm just waiting for a new lower ball joint to turn up then we can start getting things reassembled.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Brigsy
Part of things
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Recognise the reg on this from my French car forum days. Fond memories of using the xantia td/hdi as daily drivers, and driving a few activa’s.
I still have an almost new strut top for a povo spec hydraulic and sphere tool somewhere.
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Sept 1, 2020 22:38:58 GMT
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Recognise the reg on this from my French car forum days. Fond memories of using the xantia td/hdi as daily drivers, and driving a few activa’s. I still have an almost new strut top for a povo spec hydraulic and sphere tool somewhere. Aye, she's a pretty well known car! Poor thing really needs something done about the paint to be honest as that's the one aspect that really lets it down at the moment. I still reckon that the Xantia in any form has to be one of the most undervalued cars out there. They're just one of those motors which are supremely competent at just about anything you're likely to throw at them. Whether it be a bog standard 1.9TD or a top spec Executive trimmed V6. -- -- -- A few days ago I went through my Citroen spares stash carefully three full times checking for a lower ball joint before I admitted defeat and ordered one. Today what did I spot sitting on the pool table...about a foot away from the P-bush which has been waiting to be dropped off at the car once the new ball joint arrives? I must have physically picked this up and moved it TWICE when I was digging through the boxes of parts. I really do worry about the state of my brain sometimes... Anyhow...It has now been dropped off with the car. My friend is going to build up the control arm in the interim and we'll hopefully get it put back together on Friday which is when we're next both free. When the new ones arrive they can go back into the spares stash as ball joints are one of those things which you're always going to need at some point.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sept 2, 2020 15:34:31 GMT
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That looks very similar to an (older) 911 ball joint.
John
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Sept 2, 2020 18:59:11 GMT
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After what seems like forever I finally have this bush for the Xantia's suspension in my hand. A bush in the hand is worth two in the, er, bush.
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Sept 21, 2020 21:05:41 GMT
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Despite the slight excitement with the throttle setup on the 2CV flying to bits the Xantia has *finally* gone successfully through the MOT so is once more roadworthy. With the 2CV back at home I was able to fit everything back off the road. If it were still here something would have had to be moved outside or put behind the Jag on the lawn. The plan is to extend the driveway or to put a grid down to give us more space - not least because currently getting in or out of the garage with a car is a major faff. I noticed when getting into the Xantia this morning that the rear wiper blade had completely disintegrated...but knew I had a genuine replacement in my parts stash so swapped that over. Wouldn't usually be worthy of note but for the fact that it's actually got a Citroen logo printed on it. I do wonder how much of a markup that added! I do have the trim for the end of the arm but it's not a very good fit so lives in the glove box as I've always been afraid it would vanish if I left it on the wiper arm. Had honestly forgotten how rapid this car is once the boost arrives... Few things still on the to do list for it. [] Reset Activa system ride height, as unsurprisingly with the whole front end pretty much having been apart it's gone awry and the offside front is sitting about an inch lower than it should. [] She's due a timing belt. [] Rear brake discs & pads. [] Do *something* about the paint. We'll get moving on this lot soon hopefully.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sept 22, 2020 21:43:59 GMT
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Having been out for a proper drive now I can vouch for the fact that these have hugely improved the Xantia. For a start the slight vibration at 70 has totally gone. Secondly the grip (which was already impressive because Activa) is now absolutely ridiculous. Thirdly they're massively more compliant than the old Michelins which they replaced. It's made the ride far better and vastly reduced the tendency for the car to crash over sharp ridges in the road surface (which has always been the biggest weakness of the oliopneumatic suspension). Will be curious to see how it is once we've got a new set of spheres on as I know the rears in particular are very tired. I had forgotten how annoying the creak from the offside front was though...really might need to put some energy into seeing if we can resolve that. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that the car is so quiet and refined otherwise that it puts many moderns to shame...it just makes the strut that does a passable impression of a creaky door in a haunted house seem so much louder. Something I was particularly pleased to see at the MOT though was the result of the emission test. We've got pretty much every bit of paperwork for this car from the original bill of sale onwards, and we're pretty certain that this is the original 26 year and 140K mile cat. Oh...and this was running on six month old fuel as well.
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Last Edit: Sept 22, 2020 22:13:22 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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