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Might need to rig up a tachometer one day just for sheer curiousity! First order of business for today was clearing up the huge mess in the interior from the work over the last couple of days. Easy enough. Getting interior photos is so much easier now I've got access to a wide angle lens... Then we were able to go out for a wander. Didn't actually check the odometer before I headed out, but pretty sure we clocked up north of 40 miles today in all driving conditions from bumbling around Newport Pagnell Town Centre to blatting along the A421. Absolutely cannot fault her performance today whatsoever. I'm glad to report that having the service cover on the rear bulkhead properly bolted in place has slightly reduced the drivetrain noise, but has *massively* reduced the squeaks and rattles in the cabin. It's really only the doors which make a din in that regard now, and there's really nothing you can do about that as the bulk of it actually seems to come from the latches vibrating against the striker plates. There's no way to get them to fit snug enough to not rattle *and* be possible to close without body-slamming into them from outside the car. It's just a limitation of the design...and is something I may have a think about in the future if I find myself using the car as much as I think I might. Here's a photo of her resting in the scenic surroundings of the Kingston Tesco car park. Being absolutely honest, I'm staggered by how capable this little car is now the engine is running right given their reputation. The brakes are getting way better with use as well, I think a lot of the dead feel in them has just been the shoes needing to bed in - which on a 400kg car takes a bit of time - having been able to do a few higher speed runs I think has helped there too. She's looking far better now we've got period looking headlights to match the number plates which were fitted about a year ago. She's getting there. It's really obvious how much better the paint finish I got with the aerosol cans I painted the engine cover with is...Think I'll be going back to that going forward. A year or three down the line I will probably get some of the worst bits of the bodywork professionally sorted out. On the plus side there's another Model 70 within 20 miles of where I live now which has a pretty tidy body, so we should be able to get some moulds made to *properly* sort the front corners and rear apron. Rather than the foam sculpted front corners and totally freehand fibreglass-over-cardboard rear apron. That's not a crack under the nearest tail light by the way. I ended up with odd rusty coloured runs in a lot of places after she was washed, that's all that is. It will wipe off with a damp rag. The fact of the matter really is that I wasn't really wanting to throw serious money at the bodywork until I was convinced that the car was going to be a keeper - but over the last couple of days seeing how she drives when the engine is actually delivering all 20bhp properly - that's pretty much decided I think. One thing I did want to test out today was how she would handle maintaining speed on a hill, as I know this is an issue that another owner has had with their Invacar a bit. The only reasonable hill around here on a faster road is on the A421 heading out of MK towards Bedford. Glad to report that on that hill she dropped from 60 to a steady 56mph which I think is perfectly reasonable. I'm generally going to be happy bumbling along at 50-55 most of the time anyway, just nice to know she's capable of getting a shift on when needed - especially given that on the grid roads in MK you kind of need to or you're just a moving roadblock ready to end up embedded in the radiator of someone's Audi. She really doesn't like doing 40, she'll creep up towards 50 is you take your eye off her for a second. This also gave me a good opportunity to check something I'd been wanting to, which was how the oil temperature was doing when she was working hard. I'd previously painted the base of the oil pickup strainer plate matt black so I could get an accurate reading with an IR thermometer for this very reason. This reading was taken literally the moment I parked up, engine still running. That's absolutely fine I think. Not really a huge surprise given the size of the oil cooler and fan on this thing compared to the engine, but nevertheless it's nice to know. For comparison, on the oil temperature gauge I've got that would put the needle about 1/3 along the scale...right about where I'd generally want to see a temperature gauge sitting. Perfect! I'll need to be out again at the weekend most likely, and if so I'll try to get another video showing how she is behaving now. It's astonishing how much less rattle and clatter there is in the cabin now I've got that service hatch properly secured.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 15, 2020 22:37:55 GMT
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 17, 2020 21:46:03 GMT
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TPA has been out and about again, continuing the theme of being the most unusual car in the carpark wherever she is. Had the smug satisfaction this afternoon of making use of how narrow the Invacar is when I found two cars both encroaching on the space between them - yet still had plenty of space to be able to slot into the gap. I'd forgotten how satisfying doing that is. It used to be a favourite pastime when I had the Cappuccino. About thirty seconds after I took that photo (note the foreboding looking clouds) we had one of the most biblical downpours I've seen since moving down here descend on us just as I was leaving that carpark. At this point I learned something: Driving through hail in a tiny fibreglass car is LOUD. As the rain started coming down heavily enough that it reduced visibility to essentially zero and surface water started to become an issue I decided to just pull over and wait for the worst of it to pass. Once things died down to a sensible level and the surface water had receeded to the point where I could see the road again we continued. Despite a few folks having cautioned me on how poor these tyres are I didn't notice any issues today even when dealing with quite heavy surface water. Definitely was using caution though as I knew with so little weight on the front it wouldn't take much at all to cause aquaplaning. The novelty of looking in the rear view mirror and seeing three rather than two clear bands of road behind you on a wet surface will take a while to wear off. The weatherproofing is definitely massively improved over when I got the car but still needs work. Some water is still finding a way in around the nearside of the windscreen (though at least far enough over to clear my knees now) and I will obviously need to put some rubber washers under the bolts holding the window runner channel down as it drips into the door cavity along the bolts themselves. Overall though given the absolutely torrential level of the downpour it wasn't bad at all. The windscreen leak is the one which needs the most urgently sorting though as it has the potential to drip into my shoes. If I can get the windscreen leak fully sorted it's probably good enough for the sort of use this car will be getting to be honest.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 18, 2020 21:06:47 GMT
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I had a bit of a moment of realisation today, that while I had changed the diff oil and topped up the gearbox oil, I hadn't actually changed the gearbox oil - because there's no drain plug (not massively surprising as there's a diff in the way). I'd always intended to vac the oil out to change it completely, but according to my whiteboard it hadn't yet been done. Until today. The oil in general wasn't bad but it looked like there was some darker gunk removed from the bottom. Ever wanted to see what's inside an Invacar gearbox? Then with nice fresh oil in. The oil may well be nearly as old as the car for all I know. I can't remember if it was on here or another forum where someone asked me if I made a point of keeping a fire extinguisher onboard and accessible...In answer to that question: Yes. Right behind my right elbow. I really want to get the floor covering sorted out. The rubber matting really is shot in my case. This will be getting replaced with something a little more comfortable. I really don't like the rubber matting, not least because it's really slippery in the lateral direction and I've nearly gone face first into the tarmac when getting out of the car. As a result I'll be swapping it out for carpet (which should help a lot with the in-cabin noise levels I reckon), will be keeping it pretty discreet so a medium dark grey short pile material. I know it's not original, but I actually want to use this car and this is the sort of thing which will make it more pleasant for me. There are plenty of immaculate ones in museums if that's your thing. I definitely will be reverting to my earlier approach where paint is concerned...Not so much because the new paint has adhered so poorly to the existing paint in some areas, but because the finish there was so much better. I've learned quite a few things since I started out, so we should be able to get a better finish now than we originally saw. The car's also generally presentable enough that I don't mind doing a bit of work panel-by-panel going forward.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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gearbox in such "light duty" excluding any mechanical leaks, i don't think its out of order to expect the oil to last the lifetime of the car (life time of the vehicle when it was in service i mean) i can see its got slide mesh and forks etc, but why does it actually need a gearbox if its got CVT? is it a gear reduction, like a final drive or something? thats a real shame about the paint ive had a similar issue on my land rover where you can see large swathes kind of "loose" like onion skin, which pealed off by hand. i fear it just had a blow over at some point and the previous surface was not prepped/keyed properly
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2020 9:13:00 GMT by darrenh
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jimi
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i can see its got slide mesh and forks etc, but why does it actually need a gearbox if its got CVT? is it a gear reduction, like a final drive or something? Foward / Reverse ?
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2020 9:37:23 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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glenanderson
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Aug 19, 2020 12:23:51 GMT
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i can see its got slide mesh and forks etc, but why does it actually need a gearbox if its got CVT? is it a gear reduction, like a final drive or something? Foward / Reverse ? I suspect that’s the case.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Aug 19, 2020 15:38:18 GMT
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Yep, it selects forward/neutral/reverse. I believe reverse has a lower ratio to make it more controllable when parking.
It does live a pretty easy life in this application and during the normal service life the oil probably would have been fine. After this amount of time though it's worth changing. To be fair whipping the top cover off takes about 60 seconds so isn't really a headache.
I'm not too bothered about the paint. There's no huge amount of money invested in it and I wasn't really happy with the finish. Reckon I need a better compressed air source for spraying really - plus it's hard to get far enough from the car in my garage. Obviously the advise I was given that it could go straight over the existing paint without prep beyond degreasing wasn't right though!
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2020 15:40:51 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 19, 2020 17:00:18 GMT
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Those before and after photos are really good for showing the distance you’ve come. Great work.
Apologies if it’s been covered before but is that seat there to stay or do you have plans to fit an equally comfortable seat in a more period shape / fabric?
I think it would complete the picture even more IMHO
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Aug 19, 2020 18:24:32 GMT
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The seat will probably stay. My back isn't the best and I actually want to use the car so a comfy seat (that's out of a Citroen Xantia originally) seems to be a reasonable idea. I was very, very lucky with how closely things lined up with the framework which made fitting it really easy. No guarantees that alternatives would be so simple to fit.
I also don't do so well with heat so something that breathes like cloth is preferable to vinyl.
If something came up though I'd not discount looking at something more period appropriate. Jag XJ-S seats are comfy...
Fact is that this is absolutely never going to be a concourse example so I'm willing to make a few changes so that I can actually enjoy using the car. If I sell it and the future owner would like to put an original seat back in (if they can find one) it's all of 20 minutes of work. I've made a point of not butchering any of the original fittings etc, so nothing I've done is irreversible.
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2020 18:25:32 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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TPA was out and about again today up in Olney. I usually try to avoid parking in spaces like this but I didn't really have any choice today as someone had stuck a market in the middle of the actual car park. As predicted, yes getting out was a pain in the proverbial backside. Especially lacking reversing lights. Shortly after that I did the first fuel stop since the carb rebuild and since she's been allowed properly out of town a few times. The maths says 35MPG, which is much more in the ballpark of what I was hoping to see rather than the low to mid 20s I'd seen before. I think that this pretty much confirms that the carb wasn't happy before the second clean. The new oil in the gearbox/diff has definitely reduced the overall volume of the whine a bit, so I guess the old oil had degraded quite a bit. I did check through what had been drained out and there was zero evidence of any glitter so I'm not worrying about it being a little whiny - I reckon they're just like that. We then had a run up to Towcester, proper out of town run, which she handled like an absolute champ. I'm absolutely staggered by how well she cruises...She's smoother than a lot of "proper" cars I've had! About 1/3 of the way home however things went a bit awry. Not badly, but inconveniently. Absolutely out of nowhere while happily cruising along (my pace being dictated by the traffic in front) there was a godawful bang and I suddenly had no drive. Once I'd experimentally revved the engine a couple of times (you honestly can't hear it below about 55) to confirm that the bowels of the engine hadn't just deposited themselves all over the A5 I figured I'd either snapped or thrown the CVT belt. Turns out that a Model 70 without the drag from the CVT will roll for MILES! I must have gone the best part of 3/4 a mile before I got to the gateway I was planning to pull into and I'd lost about 10mph. So, convenient gateway which let met get a reasonable distance out of traffic. Shame the cafe wasn't open as actually just parking up in the car park would have been preferable...plus I was thirsty so being able to get a drink would have been nice. A quick check under the engine cover confirmed a snapped CVT belt. Half hour job to change but I didn't have either a belt nor the tools to change it on me. Nor did I have a clear enough idea in my head of where what I would need brought to me was in the garage to send someone out with it. Plus I didn't particularly want to be twirling spanners at the side of the A5 in rush hour. Time to call for recovery. Last time I called a breakdown service was in 2006 so I've not had a bad run I reckon. My view for the next couple of hours. While a bit boring, I couldn't really complain. Breeze was running straight through the car so it was a pleasant temperature, I had a comfy seat, and there was a surprisingly large amount of interesting traffic passing by. Given I was on my own and in a (relatively) safe location I knew I wasn't going to be a priority call...despite the initially wildly optimistic estimates given. Think it was roughly two hours before help arrived which was about what I was expecting. Then a quick ride on the truck (seriously, about fifteen minutes!)... Had us back home. Really surprised at how well that truck rode, though the robotised manual gearbox would have driven me spare. We were dropped off up the hill from our driveway and I was able to just roll down the hill and onto the drive and push the car back into the safety of the garage. Didn't take five minutes to retrieve the belt and pretty much confirm my suspicions. I reckon it was a failure waiting to happen down to a degraded old belt. No obvious fraying or anything, it's just gone suddenly at one point when the braiding has given way (the surface damage is just from where it was sitting against the still rotating pulleys I think). I know that the belts I've used along with a lot of my spares showed evidence of having spent a long time stored in very poor conditions and I reckon that's taken its toll. We've got some NOS belts at a friend's place which have been stored better, so getting one of those fitted will be step one and should get us rolling again. Ancient belts however I reckon are likely to be a recurring headache, especially if I'm going to be using the car regularly...and it's something I *definitely* don't want to have to worry about if I wind up doing an epic round-country trip at some point in the next year or two. As such I want to see if a modern alternative will work. The nearest equivalent we believe is a Dayco HP2020, which is slightly longer but has a very similar profile...so I've got one ordered on the way to experiment with. It's coming from Rock Auto in the US as even with shipping it was half the price of one ordered from in the UK it turned out. So don't think her arriving home on the back of a flatbed is going to result in a huge spell in the garage, she should be back up and running by the weekend. Just one of those things which happens with old cars sometimes.
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Last Edit: Aug 21, 2020 0:58:07 GMT by Zelandeth: Sorted some awful grammar
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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glenanderson
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Maybe carry a spare, and the tools to change it?
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Maybe carry a spare, and the tools to change it? Yeah, now we're starting to venture a bit further from home I'm planning to put together a standard set of tools/spares for more common issues I'm likely to come across. It's one of the reasons that I'd really like to get some form of storage compartment built up front. Obviously if I didn't have breakdown cover I'd have made sure to have a LOT more stuff on hand. Well, it's a bit of a moot point really as I'd not consider driving anything possibly aside from the van in my fleet on anything resembling a regular basis without full breakdown cover. Given where I was today I'd probably still have got the car recovered anyway, especially given that I'd have had to wait for things to cool down to a point that I could carry out the work safely anyhow...Probably 3/4 of the way to the recovery truck arriving by that point.
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Last Edit: Aug 21, 2020 1:23:01 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 22, 2020 19:46:07 GMT
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A friend very kindly dropped a replacement NOS drive belt off for me this morning. This is in far, far better shape than any of the half dozen or so I originally got with the first Invacar - all but a couple of which were binned long ago as they were plainly too far gone. This one looks in fine shape though. The details for those interested. That part number appears to be completely obsolete judging from a Google search. General theory is that these were custom made for the Invacar, probably bought in sufficient numbers by the DHSS back in the day that it wasn't prohibitively expensive per item cost wise to do that. This belt is 1 1/4" wide at the widest point, so fractionally wider than the HP2020. We'll see if that has any noticeable impact when it arrives. Changing the CVT belt on one of these cars is pretty straightforward. Only tools you need are two 17mm spanners. The manual states that you need to remove one of the pulleys from the gearbox/chaincase, however if you back the tensioner all the way off there's *just* enough slack to get the belt to walk its way on without having to dismantle anything. The belt tension isn't actually set while paying any attention to the actual tension. The manual states that the correct belt tension is obtained with the pulley centres 10.25" apart. I did actually get it closer than it looks there, holding the tape measure and the camera at the same time was tricky. Now having a new belt in good order in front of me to compare to I was able to take a closer look at the two remaining spares I had in the garage and ascertain that they are indeed fit for nothing aside from a trip into the bin. Aside from having perished just as badly as the one which just went pop they're worn down to barely 1" in width. The better of the two will be held on to now purely as a "limp my way home" backup, but as soon as I've got a decent spare in hand it will join the first one in the bin. It will obviously take a bit of time for the new belt to bed in but initial signs on the brief test drive round the block showed everything working as it should. Haven't been above 30mph yet but I've no reason to expect any issues. The one really noticeable thing that has changed however is that the horrible what I'd always assumed was clutch judder appears to have gone. That's been an issue I've had since the first time KPL moved on my driveway under her own power so has been with me for a while! If a new belt has sorted it I'll be very happy as that's always been really annoying. In preparation for some remedial work to the paintwork I'm starting to tidy a few things up. While I'd got a decent finish on the engine cover the actual surface was badly pitted in a load of places. To remedy this I've been going over the area with some self setting filler, once the panel is given a going over to sand that down it should look a lot better with fresh paint applied afterwards. Looks a bit ridiculous in the meantime, but that's the way with cosmetics isn't it? Things have to get worse before you can improve on them. Will be doing this a panel at a time to keep things manageable.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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eternaloptimist
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Progress! And a good reminder of the Super Sausage. Not been there for years, I used the one just north of Towcester, Jacks Hill Cafe more often.
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XC70, VW split screen crew cab, Standard Ten
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Aug 23, 2020 23:19:09 GMT
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Following the replacement of the belt, TPA was out and about today to meet up with a couple of friends. You know seeing one Invacar is a rare enough sight these days... These other two are just in the process of being recommissiined and should be back on the road soon. The new belt seems to be working well. The only issue to surface was the cooling fan air intake grill making another bid for freedom. As this finding its way into the cooling fan would have been A Bad Thing (tm) it was removed and stowed under the seat for the trip home. As this is the third or fourth time it has come loose I'm going to improve on the standard fixings. Given it's just hooked over the ends of four screws that won't be hard. Some penny washers and a few bolts will do the job.
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Last Edit: Aug 23, 2020 23:20:35 GMT by Zelandeth
Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Sorry about the belt snapping but the new one looks in fine fettle so that should sort it for the foreseeable. As an aside I use these guys www.bearingboys.co.uk/Fan-Belt-Calculator-22-a to source my belts. (I've got an american mower - a Toro wheelhorse 523dxi - an absolute beast of a machine but that's an aside). Sourcing parts, particularly belts for it, is v expensive when buying from the States or from the official parts suppier so I've used these guys to buy alternatives. I'm not sure if they will meet the standards you need for your invacar but they've been brilliant for my mower (27hp 3 cylinder diesel) so thought I'd mention it.
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Could be worse seems a pretty good response from the breakdown as well who do you use?
My recent experience with the AA was dismal, during lockdown (when there was hardly any cars on the road) the minor broke down about 2 miles form home (collecting wife from work in supermarket) clearly and ignition fault, AA said they would be there in 2 hours, my wife decided to walk home, came back in the mx5 with a drink and lunch for me after about an hour, onine their estimated time had grown by another hour, I drove the mx 5 home leaving Jackie there, pulled the ignition amplifier and coil out of the TR7V8, drove back fitted the coil and voila it worked fine, by now it was 2.5 hours from the initial call and they still were going to be at least an hour, we cancelled the AA and drove home. Previous occurrence was when the Range rover lost all drive due to a failed auto trans, told them it would need recovering, still insisted on sending sending a breakdown guy who took one look at it and said that will need recovering!, then they started arranging recovery, total of over 5 hours(10 miles form home).
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Aug 24, 2020 21:42:14 GMT
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Could be worse seems a pretty good response from the breakdown as well who do you use? My recent experience with the AA was dismal, during lockdown (when there was hardly any cars on the road) the minor broke down about 2 miles form home (collecting wife from work in supermarket) clearly and ignition fault, AA said they would be there in 2 hours, my wife decided to walk home, came back in the mx5 with a drink and lunch for me after about an hour, onine their estimated time had grown by another hour, I drove the mx 5 home leaving Jackie there, pulled the ignition amplifier and coil out of the TR7V8, drove back fitted the coil and voila it worked fine, by now it was 2.5 hours from the initial call and they still were going to be at least an hour, we cancelled the AA and drove home. Previous occurrence was when the Range rover lost all drive due to a failed auto trans, told them it would need recovering, still insisted on sending sending a breakdown guy who took one look at it and said that will need recovering!, then they started arranging recovery, total of over 5 hours(10 miles form home). I've been with Autoaid since about 2004 I think. With what the AA/RAC charge I'd fully expect them to deliver a brand new Rolls-Royce to my location for me to continue to my destination, then return my car fully restored, repaired and valeted to my driveway within 24 hours. I've only needed to call on them twice, but haven't had any complaints. We jumped ship from the RAC after I eventually had to get a lift back to my parents house and take them to my car which had broken down because their systems refused to acknowledge that the B9001 even existed. After I'd been standing at the side of the road for about four hours. -- -- -- So yesterday despite the car running well we had one small issue in that the grill on the engine cooling air intake fell off. Again. Given that's the only thing stopping people from sticking their fingers in here, this was something I considered sorting to be a high priority. Originally it was held in simply by the ends of four small stubby self tapping screws poking through the mesh. Given this is the third or fourth time it's done this I figured it was time to improve on this arrangement Problem solved and everything back together. You can see the edge of the washers in person if you look closely so I'll want to go back to trim those at some point. That's a pretty low priority though. At least the grill isn't going to try to get itself ingested by the cooling fan again now the grill is properly secured.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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Aug 25, 2020 22:30:12 GMT
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A package arrived from the US this morning. This was ordered a full 24 hours later than the oil pressure switch sitting next to the belt, which was coming from less than 100 miles away - they arrived within a couple of hours of each other. This is the second time I've ordered stuff from them and have had things arrive seemingly unfeasibly quickly. The arrival of this belt meant that I could finally get some actual measurements relative to the original Invacar belts, which I'd been wanting to for a while. I'd hard a few mentions of the HP2020 being slightly longer so wanted to see how how much longer it was and whether it would be possible to take up the additional slack with the tension adjustment. First up, an original Dayco 43-5639. This is the now obsolete belt which was originally fitted. So let's compare that to the Dayco HP2020 which we've been advised is the closest current equivalent. Unless I'm seeing things, those belts look to be as close to the same length as to be identical according to this tape measure. How about width. I measured the new belt I fitted a couple of days ago at 1 1/4" wide. How does that compare? So it's fractionally narrower, but not by much at all. The wear limit width wise according to the manual is 28mm, so we're comfortably within that. So not a problem it looks like. The slightly narrower starting width means we might not get quite as much life out of the belt, though at this point we're still trying to figure out what normal belt life actually is. To be honest if it lasts a year of normal use and is an annual service item...it's a £30 current production part. I can deal with that. Of course this is theory at this point...while my measurements show that the HP2020 is all but identical to the NOS Invacar CVT belts, it may well behave quite differently in the real world. My plan at this point is to get the HP2020 installed at some point shortly so I can get some real world testing done. It looks really promising though. The reports of the HP2020 being notably longer appear to be false.
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Current fleet: 73 AC Model-70. 75 Rover 3500. 84 Trabant 601S. 85 Sinclair C5. 06 Peugeot Partner 1.6HDi.
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