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Re: special school - I work in a pupil referral unit, with students that have either already been excluded from mainstream schools or are at risk of exclusion. They've got a pretty wide range of complex needs and behaviours, but most of them feel that they've been let down by the school system. By giving them a project like this, I hope to engage a few of them a little more than if they were just doing basic servicing and maintenance. It's hard, but good fun too. [/quote] And for that you have my (and no doubt many others) upmost respect
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Last Edit: Nov 27, 2019 6:46:25 GMT by Deleted
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Well gn, I firmly believe that there's a job for everyone. I couldn't work in a hospital, or with animals. An office job would bore me. I'm not into sports or outdoor stuff. But I do like to talk to people and share what I know, so teaching is ideal. Without wanting to get political, in the 18 years I've been teaching, the education system in this country has changed beyond recognition. I have no desire to go back into a mainstream setting where results are more important than the mental health and wellbeing of students and staff. Children learn best when they're happy. Teachers are most effective when they're not under constant pressure to get results that are clearly not achievable. We're all different, so why not play to everyone's strengths?
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Nov 27, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
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My step son is desperately in need of a placement somewhere like yours. He suffers from ASD quite badly, and he's not dealing with secondary school very well at all. The school is trying to help but they're doing more stuff wrong than right. Get him out of a purely academic environment into a workshop like yours and I think he would thrive and learn more than he is at the moment. Anyhoo, back to the Beetle.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:58:34 GMT
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Tony, it might be worth looking at some of the alternative provision providers in your area - places like Nova Training might be able to offer help? If the school is trying to help, you're part way there, I know of so many that don't even want to know. You might be able to negotiate the school sending your stepson out on a regular placement - it gets him out of their hair for a while and more importantly for you and him, gets him the training he wants.
Today we decided to split the body from the floor pan again, this time by making a quick frame out of scaffold boards going through the window openings! It sounds sketchier than it is! It has allowed me to get the body up and get access to the rotten heater channels - the drivers one is coming out first, but all we managed to chop away were a few layers of patches at the back end. I still haven't found the actual join yet...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Nov 29, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
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Chop chop! We did error slightly with the position of the arms on the ramp, which means that we can only open the doors a couple of inches, so cutting the channel was a bit tricky! Got the back inner bit still to cut out, so we'll do that on Monday and hopefully get one channel lined up and into place!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Bit of a strange one. Got the last of the old heater channel cut out and drilled out the spot welds, roughly cleaned up the inner and outer rear quarter panels, the bottom of the a-post and the inner and outer skins of the front bulkhead. Then we bolted the heater channel down to the floor pan in a couple of places and dropped the body back on top. Hmm #1. The carpet retaining strip shouldn't be visible under the a-post. The heater tube should be closer to the hinge plate. This isn't making sense... Hmm #2. The downturn on the bottom of the heater channel should be virtually touching the front of the napoleon's hat. This is odd. Took the body off. Took the heater channel off. Opened up one of the holes in the floor pan that we'd worked around and made a bit smaller. Put the channel back in place, the dropped the body back on again. Still no good. Took the body off again, tried to loosen the bolts off and found one of the threaded inserts spinning round... At this point, my class size doubled as the other student turned up! We drilled a couple of holes in the brand new heater channel, cut an access window in the side then welded the insert back in place. Dropped the body back on again, took the bolts out and then tapped the channel backwards along the length of the car. Success! The panel fits so much better, things line up to where they should be, and even double checking the position of the heater tube with the original on the other side shows that the new and improved heater channels still need work. It looks like the threaded inserts for the bolt holes are all fitted 12mm too far back. We're going to have to mark out all the bolt holes from the floor pan onto the heater channel bottom plate. Then grind out all of the inserts before welding up the holes and redrilling new holes in the right place. Finally we'll fit new inserts and weld them just to make sure they don't spin... It doesn't make life easy...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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oldisbetter
Part of things
If it has a ECU it's complicated :)
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It is a pain when new panels are not a good fit, I have sent things back that claim to be the best quality and heritage standard, You think they would check a few on a jig or something, This panel with the 4 holes in on the moggy was 10mm wider at the front than the old one, It had to be cut and re welded so i rather that order flitch extension panels i got busy with the swager and made them. The welding has got better this year
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It just appears to be accepted practice throughout the classic car market with repair / replacement panels - most manufactures / suppliers have a 'that will do attitude' - in the cases that I have gone back to the supplier to complain they will always use the excuse that the vehicle that you are working upon has been damaged / impacted / distorted and its the vehicle that is the problem not the supplied panels - sadly its a sloppy attitude to business but they continually get away with it - other items such has chrome parts / trim / ignition parts are also in equal numbers of an inferior quality - they really ought to be some form of a quality assurance / standards body that controlled this sector of the market
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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2019 7:27:24 GMT by Deleted
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CaptainSlog
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I am busy amassing parts for a full nut and bolt Mini restoration (With Honda engine) and I imported to South Africa, at great expense, tax and duty, a load of parts from MiniSpares, supposedly the best. I was shocked at the poor quality of a lot of the parts that arrived. I will, in many cases, use the original parts and have wasted a lot of money..
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Bit of a strange one. Got the last of the old heater channel cut out and drilled out the spot welds, roughly cleaned up the inner and outer rear quarter panels, the bottom of the a-post and the inner and outer skins of the front bulkhead. Then we bolted the heater channel down to the floor pan in a couple of places and dropped the body back on top. Hmm #1. The carpet retaining strip shouldn't be visible under the a-post. The heater tube should be closer to the hinge plate. This isn't making sense... Hmm #2. The downturn on the bottom of the heater channel should be virtually touching the front of the napoleon's hat. This is odd. Took the body off. Took the heater channel off. Opened up one of the holes in the floor pan that we'd worked around and made a bit smaller. Put the channel back in place, the dropped the body back on again. Still no good. Took the body off again, tried to loosen the bolts off and found one of the threaded inserts spinning round... At this point, my class size doubled as the other student turned up! We drilled a couple of holes in the brand new heater channel, cut an access window in the side then welded the insert back in place. Dropped the body back on again, took the bolts out and then tapped the channel backwards along the length of the car. Success! The panel fits so much better, things line up to where they should be, and even double checking the position of the heater tube with the original on the other side shows that the new and improved heater channels still need work. It looks like the threaded inserts for the bolt holes are all fitted 12mm too far back. We're going to have to mark out all the bolt holes from the floor pan onto the heater channel bottom plate. Then grind out all of the inserts before welding up the holes and redrilling new holes in the right place. Finally we'll fit new inserts and weld them just to make sure they don't spin... It doesn't make life easy... I'm guessing that not a Dansk heater channel. They fit a lot better, and they have proper gauge steel, and are ecoated, so you get some paint inside them.
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Last Edit: Dec 6, 2019 12:24:10 GMT by keekster
1964 VW Beetle 1986 VW Golf GL 1990 Toyota Carina II
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No, not Dansk. These are Klokkerholm, and the pressings are much improved over what they used to be. The rivnuts are even a good idea, but they simply haven't been put in the right place!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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oldisbetter
Part of things
If it has a ECU it's complicated :)
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CaptainSlog this is part of the reason i try and use the original parts even if they need a good clean up and also why i look for new old stock(NOS), I have mates who hoard parts and the only way i can get things from them is to swap with my hoarded parts
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No, not Dansk. These are Klokkerholm, and the pressings are much improved over what they used to be. The rivnuts are even a good idea, but they simply haven't been put in the right place! 'Klokkerholm' panels are normally a very good fit (but I cant talk from a VW prospective) last few BMW sill panels I have had from Klokkerholm were a near perfect fit and were only lacking a few trim clip holes that required drilling for which you don't mind when you consider the saving over the factory part prices
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No, not Dansk. These are Klokkerholm, and the pressings are much improved over what they used to be. The rivnuts are even a good idea, but they simply haven't been put in the right place! 'Klokkerholm' panels are normally a very good fit (but I cant talk from a VW prospective) last few BMW sill panels I have had from Klokkerholm were a near perfect fit and were only lacking a few trim clip holes that required drilling for which you don't mind when you consider the saving over the factory part prices From a VW perspective, they can be a bit hit and miss. They used to be reasonable back in the 1980s (I've got a couple of panels from then!), then as they produced more parts for the '90s they started to lose definition as the press tools started to wear. From what I've been told, they've invested in new tooling recently, which is welcome. My dad has got a rivnut tool I can borrow so next week we'll be sorting out the bottom plates - I want this channel welded in!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 10, 2019 18:33:40 GMT
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Progress is slow but steady. Today group 1 (just one lad, the other had a hissy fit about his boots...) measured up for the new rivnut locations, took the holes out to 10mm with the step drill, ground the heads off the old rivnuts, then started to fill the redundant holes with the welder. Group 2 (two girls who don't get on too well!) did a bit more welding then watched me grind a couple of the welds down. While they had a wander around site followed by my teaching assistant, I quickly got the rest welded and ground so when they came back they could fit the new rivnuts. As it turned out, my dad's rivnut tool only goes up to M6, and the one he borrowed off a mate has the M8 fitting missing, so plan B was employed - a nut, a long bolt, some lube and a couple of spanners, and hey presto, a complete set of rivnuts, moved 15mm forwards of their "original" position. I have had to use aluminium rivnuts this time, as that's all my Dad could find, but it's not a big deal to drill them out and fit steel ones at a later date. I did weld a steel one in the back, as I could get to it easy enough and the hole was so close to the edge of the channel I couldn't form the new one properly. It'll do for now! Plan for tomorrow is to clean up the mating surfaces, get some weld through primer on everything, and get the channel in some semblance of place!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 10, 2019 19:23:29 GMT
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Looking at the photo above, the new rivnut looks to be in the wrong place, but straight on, it's smack in the middle of the small pressing. I'll get a better picture tomorrow.
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 11, 2019 21:43:28 GMT
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Sorry about the cocked heater channel bottoms, i´ll pass on the quality issues. It may also be noteworthy that VW heater channels used to be sold with separate bottom plates.
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Dec 11, 2019 23:05:21 GMT
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Sorry about the cocked heater channel bottoms, i´ll pass on the quality issues. It may also be noteworthy that VW heater channels used to be sold with separate bottom plates. I remembered that - I'd heard of people using a repro top and a genuine bottom, but could never work out quite why! I've not seen genuine VW sheetmetal available for quite a while - an ex student had his '75 restored with genuine front and rear quarters, channels, bulkheads and doors - looks like it went together really nicely. It was a bit of a strange error to be honest. I did briefly question if we'd got the floorpan in right, but we used a set of measurements found on the 'net, then cross referenced them with another set and they worked out right, and even the rearmost bolthole, the one in the original cross panel, was out. Still it's sorted now! Spent a bit of time today with the body going up and down on the lift like a yoyo, grinding little bits to provide clearance here and there in an effort to get the chennel to fit spot on. Still not there yet, but we'll see what tomorrow brings. I hope it's not windy...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 24, 2019 23:29:50 GMT
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Well, I spent ages last night writing up a big post, went to add a photo and lost the lot. So I'm now going to keep editing this as I go along this evening - more time consuming but far less frustrating for me! I thought I should do a review of the project so far as the car was delivered to school on the penultimate day of term in December 2018, and we've just broken up in December 2019, so the first year is complete. Work carried out so far is a full strip down of the car, split the body from the floorpan and remove the old 'pan halves, before soda blasting the spine (www.sodablastingltd.co.uk) and replacing the panels with the new Taiwanese original style from www.vwheritage.com - nice pressings, just require trimming down to fit the spine. My only disappointment with them is the lack of detail pressing around the pedal area - it would have been nice to have the recess for the reinforcement plate. Moving on to the body, we've cut the front end off (again! More on this later!) and removed the driver side heater channel - it was the worse of the two and was made up largely of repair panels welded around an original. As with all of the repairs, I've had the students drilling out spot welds to separate panels along original lines where possible. After a bit of messing with the captive nuts on the new heater channel, we've got the channel held in with tek screws, but we seem to have had some problems with students going into varying degrees of freak out and we don't seem to have got much further with this part. I've been waiting to weld it in for weeks! A couple of things we've done have made life a little easier. The first was cutting the heads off a couple of M10 bolts and putting them in the rear body mounts on the floorpan so that the shell goes back on in exactly the same place each time. It simply slides over the top of the bolt and down the non threaded part, and is a really tight fit in the washers that are rusted into the brackets on the body! The second was to tek screw a chunk of old table leg the the side of the heater channel, and then fix what's left of the old front quarter to it. This has all but removed the flex out of the drivers side and the door no longer drops by 30mm when opened...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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Dec 24, 2019 23:43:32 GMT
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Should be a photo now... Obviously that'll come off later, but for now it's rather useful! Now, about that front end. When we got the car, one of the things I noticed was that it'd had a new front clip, basically a complete spare wheel well, fuel tank support and valance, with the bumper mounts and everything. Now, we've got complete front quarter panels from www.vwheritage.com, so we don't exactly need the complete front clip, but at the same time I don't want to throw away the rest of those panels. So we did what no sane person would do and cut the front clip apart. What we found were spot welds, then some little seam welds where you can't get a grinder, some pigeon poo, and more rust. And a manufacturers sticker from 1995, making this repair panel older than most of the cars driven by the staff at school. I think it's older than some of the staff too...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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