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Jun 10, 2019 14:18:12 GMT
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There are two main clutch pressure plate types that can be fitted to the series1 3.8 E type one with flat fingers and one with radius fingers and each type can be fitted but they each will only work with a certain type release bearing, I cannot remember which type goes with which but I do remember one is long and one is short and if you screw up and fir the wrong one it will work but make a sound similar to the one you have. I think I'm sorry to say you have a similar problem Jim. So many variations and not much documentation to back it up. That was common on the Vauxhall/Opels the change was around the mid 80s, from memory its a curved finger clutch cover with flat face bearing and a straight finger clutch cover with a round nose bearing
Hope the solution is simple!
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Jun 10, 2019 16:45:58 GMT
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There are two main clutch pressure plate types that can be fitted to the series1 3.8 E type one with flat fingers and one with radius fingers and each type can be fitted but they each will only work with a certain type release bearing, I cannot remember which type goes with which but I do remember one is long and one is short and if you screw up and fir the wrong one it will work but make a sound similar to the one you have. I think I'm sorry to say you have a similar problem Jim. So many variations and not much documentation to back it up. That was common on the Vauxhall/Opels the change was around the mid 80s, from memory its a curved finger clutch cover with flat face bearing and a straight finger clutch cover with a round nose bearing
Hope the solution is simple!
Yes mine is the same. Non self centrering has a flat fingers and curved release bearing. Self centring has curved fingers and flat release bearing. I'm pretty sure its not a parts compatibility issue as the clutch operates perfectly. Its just a noise when under load. |
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Jun 10, 2019 20:17:17 GMT
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Update....
I spent a few minutes with the car tonight. Don’t think it’s the gearbox or the clutch. When I first start it, the noise isn’t there. Then about 30 secs of running, if I rev it up I get that horrible rattle. Having foot on clutch or in gear or out of gear makes no difference. Rattle changes with engine speed.
So on the plus side, gearbox is probably ok. On the downside I now have an engine problem!!!
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Jun 10, 2019 20:35:14 GMT
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Could it be a loose injector?
The combustion chambers can also come loose, you might be able to narrow it down to a single cylinder listening with a screwdriver.
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Jun 10, 2019 22:27:26 GMT
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How about the alternator  ? Or even the water pump?? |
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Jun 12, 2019 18:04:13 GMT
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Here is a longer video of the noise.
It can’t be the gearbox, as playing with the clutch on or off or in different gears makes no difference. Clutch works perfectly.
When it stops raining and I have some time, I’ll do a proper methodical fault finding on it.
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Jun 12, 2019 18:19:38 GMT
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Exhaust Sheild that was removed/moved when box was taken out.
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Jun 12, 2019 19:37:53 GMT
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it could be something very odd like Pete suggests and i hope it is. Does this engine has a chain for the cam? It could be that the tensioner does not function anymore. The engine starts well and picks up nicely for such an old diesel so it should not be too dramatic. Good luck, you deserve an easy solution (for what it is worth)
Peter
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village
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Always carries a toolbox. Because Volkswagen.......
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The noise does sound like something rattling, something lightweight judging by the frequency of the noise.
Not really overly helpful, but I needed an excuse to get three consecutive comments from a Pete...
Cheers
Pete
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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jamesd1972
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How are the thrust washers configured on this engine ? Is putting your foot on the clutch giving something a push sideways because of too much crank end float which then makes a noise? Hope it’s not .
Other thought was what about when fully warmed up ? It’s still cold and not run properly for a long long time so might sort out after getting properly hot? Even perhaps get some driving in and see if it gets better or worse.
Sure you will get to the bottom of it, don’t loose the mojo, perhaps moving onto some other bits that need doing will provide solace and thinking time.
James
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Jun 13, 2019 12:55:42 GMT
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-shield rattle type: exhaust related -tensioner related: belts/chains/hydraulics -interference related: like a shield rattle, but a little different. like something attached to the engine or transmission that is hitting something else  -upper engine: valvetrain? -lower engine: internal pump, oil delivery? I like the screwdriver or stethoscope idea to narrow it down. yeah, like you said in your vid, you need a "lovely assistant" you will find it! JP |
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Jun 13, 2019 18:44:09 GMT
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Fingers crossed, touch wood etc, i think the noise has gone.
I'm not 100% sure what it was. It was either something to do with the cold start being disconnected and the fuel pump being advanced or retarded, causing weird fuelling, or the alternator belt that was really slack and might have been causing the alternator or water pump to do strange things, or a heat shield or the bonnet rubbing on the strut towers. Either way, the noise has gone and I'm hoping it doesn't come back!!!
So i am now motivated to carry on with welding.
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ivangt6
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Jun 13, 2019 18:54:02 GMT
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Sounds good. Love the turbo whistle!
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1979 Mini 1000
1972 Triumph GT6
2007 VW Golf GTi
1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive
1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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Jun 13, 2019 19:07:56 GMT
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So the Bonnet is the culprit it may stop after the gas struts are fitted?
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Good to see the issue is gone. The engine sounds good and like a proper old school diesel but personally i think it does not match the car well if you compare it to a smooth V8. But it is nice to see you enjoy the car very much and that is more important then my thoughts
Keep up the good work as its fun to read
Peter
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Good to see the issue is gone. The engine sounds good and like a proper old school diesel but personally i think it does not match the car well if you compare it to a smooth V8. But it is nice to see you enjoy the car very much and that is more important then my thoughts Keep up the good work as its fun to read Peter I think that’s why I like it so much. Everyone expects a v8. This feels like a small tank! |
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jamesd1972
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Jun 14, 2019 10:58:18 GMT
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Sounds like one too.
James
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Jun 14, 2019 12:28:08 GMT
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Sometimes these things work themselves out, amazingly. Perhaps just using it, and getting those things right that you mentioned, ( especially getting those things adjusted) sent Murphy elsewhere.
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Jun 14, 2019 12:34:40 GMT
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right near your enrichment cable (with loose bracket) I noticed a (vacuum?) port that looked uncapped. The ground strap in that same area toward the front of the car looks a bit compromised at the cable end, too.
But I must say, that engine bay looks great!...so tidy and clean. well done! The motor also sounds good. I like the irony of expecting a petrol motor, but hearing the diesel. good stuff.
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Jun 14, 2019 13:53:51 GMT
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well to be fair the gearbox looked and operated sweetly, one of those "leave it until it gets bad enough to diagnose" kind of things.
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? Or even the water pump??
