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Well with an impending new job starting on Monday, and subsequent 500 weekly mileage I need to start thinking about some economy in my motoring for the daily. Got me thinking about possible RWD Retro tat project that I could put together. Something like a cortina or j/tin, even possibly marina etc. I'm thinking retro style with mpg smiles!
When it comes to burning oil I'm clueless as to what fits what. Is the escort/fiesta 1.8TD the same as the sierra version. Which 1905 peugeot lump is fitted to the LDV pilot, and would a turbo variant mount up to the gearbox to give me RWD. Is the Mondeo lump easily mounted to a Type9. There seems to be surge of tuning products out there for them - RWYB anyone
Just thinking really, anybody out there performed any diesel retro fits in retro tin and what were the results? I would be really interested to find out or should I just consult the doctors and increase the medication! ;D
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Sept 26, 2007 19:54:01 GMT
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down  and that's not really the car's fault. |
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Sept 26, 2007 20:03:46 GMT
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dunno about fitment in retro's but i do know my mate has a vw transporter (t4???) which had a 60 bhp 1.9 turbo in, but due to a knackered injector pump he swapped in the 120 brake lump out of a seat toledo, and the thing 'kin flies, and is amazing on juice - plus he reckons a bigger intercooler and tweaks is another 30 bhp - goddamn scrapyard smartarse!!
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nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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Sept 26, 2007 20:09:59 GMT
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Got to love retro Diesels - the entire PPC editorial team is driving Pug ones at the moment aren't they? I think Will's got a 405 GLX cus he's the editor and he's got to have a flash car  ;D |
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dugong
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One Of Us Will Live To Rue The Day We Met Each Other (Wire : 2008)
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Sept 26, 2007 21:16:40 GMT
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Well with an impending new job starting on Monday, and subsequent 500 weekly mileage I need to start thinking about some economy in my motoring for the daily. Got me thinking about possible RWD Retro tat project that I could put together. Something like a cortina or j/tin, even possibly marina etc. I'm thinking retro style with mpg smiles! When it comes to burning oil I'm clueless as to what fits what. Is the escort/fiesta 1.8TD the same as the sierra version. Which 1905 peugeot lump is fitted to the LDV pilot, and would a turbo variant mount up to the gearbox to give me RWD. Is the Mondeo lump easily mounted to a Type9. There seems to be surge of tuning products out there for them - RWYB anyone Just thinking really, anybody out there performed any diesel retro fits in retro tin and what were the results? I would be really interested to find out or should I just consult the doctors and increase the medication! ;D So far as I know the turbo diesel lump fitted in the LDV Pilots was the XUD9 turbo and non turbo. Came with either a Lucas (bad for tuning) or Bosch (good for tuning) fuel pump and either a KKK K14 (not so much scope) or a Garrett T2 (big with lots of scope for tuning) air cooled turbo. Well, I think they were air cooled. Came in: Citroen Xantia Citroen ZX \ Xsara Rover 420d? LDV Pilot Peugeot 206 \ 306 \ 405 (non TD) Very easy to tune if you adjust the fuelling, but the bearings in the Garrett go at around 120,000 miles and the seals whistle around that mileage as well. Provided you're regular with the oil changes (every 6000 miles) and HOF204, and RELIGIOUS with the coolant changes every two years (like on every XU engine) they're bomb proof. The later HDi engines came with a Garrett GT12 which is a lot smaller. Also came attached to a BE \ ME 3 gearbox, which is rod operated and is lovely. The came can't be said of the clutch linkage, which was cut n' shut across the top of the exhaust manifold on RHD cars because PSA couldn't be arsed to do a proper conversion from LHD. Standard figures are 90 BHP and 145 lb \ ft of torque And if you can nab the Pilot bellhousing on the cheap, get it and make a few quid selling it to people putting XU9J4s (Mi 16s) in kit cars and Moggies. The Pell Genesis for example. |
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dugong
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One Of Us Will Live To Rue The Day We Met Each Other (Wire : 2008)
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Sept 26, 2007 21:19:53 GMT
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Well with an impending new job starting on Monday, and subsequent 500 weekly mileage I need to start thinking about some economy in my motoring for the daily. Got me thinking about possible RWD Retro tat project that I could put together. Something like a cortina or j/tin, even possibly marina etc. I'm thinking retro style with mpg smiles! When it comes to burning oil I'm clueless as to what fits what. Is the escort/fiesta 1.8TD the same as the sierra version. Which 1905 peugeot lump is fitted to the LDV pilot, and would a turbo variant mount up to the gearbox to give me RWD. Is the Mondeo lump easily mounted to a Type9. There seems to be surge of tuning products out there for them - RWYB anyone Just thinking really, anybody out there performed any diesel retro fits in retro tin and what were the results? I would be really interested to find out or should I just consult the doctors and increase the medication! ;D So far as I know the turbo diesel lump fitted in the LDV Pilots was the XUD9 turbo and non turbo. Came with either a Lucas (bad for tuning) or Bosch (good for tuning) fuel pump and either a KKK K14 (not so much scope) or a Garrett T2 (big with lots of scope for tuning) air cooled turbo. Well, I think they were air cooled. Came in: Citroen Xantia Citroen ZX \ Xsara Rover 420d? LDV Pilot Peugeot 206 \ 306 \ 405 (non TD) Very easy to tune if you adjust the fuelling, but the bearings in the Garrett go at around 120,000 miles and the seals whistle around that mileage as well. Provided you're regular with the oil changes (every 6000 miles) and HOF204, and RELIGIOUS with the coolant changes every two years (like on every XU engine) they're bomb proof. The later HDi engines came with a Garrett GT12 which is a lot smaller. Also came attached to a BE \ ME 3 gearbox, which is rod operated and is lovely. The came can't be said of the clutch linkage, which was cut n' shut across the top of the exhaust manifold on RHD cars because PSA couldn't be arsed to do a proper conversion from LHD. Standard figures are 90 BHP and 145 lb \ ft of torque And if you can nab the Pilot bellhousing on the cheap, get it and make a few quid selling it to people putting XU9J4s (Mi 16s) in kit cars and Moggies. The Pell Genesis for example. I should have emphasised - the only RWD application that I know of for the XUD9 was in the LDV Pilot. Nick its bellhousing at least and you're some way to a RWD Pug diesel. I think the Pilot may well have used the LT77 gearbox that's in the SD1. Or it could be an R380, I could be talking out of my  on the gearbox front. |
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Dez
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Pondering DieselsDez
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Sept 26, 2007 21:23:02 GMT
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its definately a lt77 gearbox- i looked into doing it recently.
lt77box, ldv bellhousing, and 1.9 turdblower would be pretty good in most things, and returns about the same power as an average stock 2L inline 4, pinto for example, but with double the fuel economy.
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Sept 26, 2007 21:24:15 GMT
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Stolen from a similar thread over on old skool ford, posted by Bortaf
"P100/5ierra 1.8 TD, reversed pinto mounts and it's in, use the diesel Type9 box the one that comes with the engine.
A few hoses to sort and you'll need to mate the downpipe to the system but it's even on the same side as a pinto, few bits of wiring for the glow plugs and your done, there'e even enough room in front of the corty rad for an intercooler if you fancy tuining it up
Not long got rid of a TD taunus (Mk3 cortina) pickup and thats how that was done
Forget transit Di as it weighs about the same as an essex with 1/3 of the power
As popup says the 2.5 scorpio is a good lump but leccy controlled i think?
The earlyer granada pug 2.3 is a bit agriculural and dam slow the bigger 2.5TD from an LDV 400 will go on the granny mounts and box but only in a granny,you'll need to make mounts to put it in any other car"
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MrT
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Just who did Mr Hitler REALLY think he was kidding?
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Sept 26, 2007 21:25:17 GMT
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I should have emphasised - the only RWD application that I know of for the XUD9 was in the LDV Pilot. Nick its bellhousing at least and you're some way to a RWD Pug diesel. I think the Pilot may well have used the LT77 gearbox that's in the SD1. Or it could be an R380, I could be talking out of my  on the gearbox front. And it just so happens that I've got a 405 1.9TD engine and 'box and a Pilot 'box, both of which are for sale... |
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Dez
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Sept 26, 2007 21:39:58 GMT
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how muchos?
PM me please.
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MrT
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Just who did Mr Hitler REALLY think he was kidding?
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Sept 26, 2007 22:11:21 GMT
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PM sent...
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Pondering Dieselsmilfordcubicle
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Another Peugeot XUD in a rear drive application was the FSO Caro. You could probably bolt up a Rover L-series to a Leyland Daf Perkins Prima gearbox, as it's a development of that engine. More powerful than the Peugeot XUD and sounds better if you like chuntering clattery diesels.  You could just buy a diesel Merc W123, Ford Granada or Scorpio, Vaux Carlton or BMW 525 and save the hassle though. |
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Sept 27, 2007 8:53:13 GMT
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Thanks for all the info guys, I'm really thinking about the combination of the XUD lump/pilot box all wrapped up in a Hillman body either Avenger or Hunter although if I go older its no road tax. Plenty of food for thought with this one - just need to get some of the other projects finishedin the meantime whilst starting to look for suitable parts.
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1958 - Chevrolet Apache Panel Truck
1959 - Plymouth Custom Suburban
1952 - Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop
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2009 - Ovlov V70 2.5T
1970 - Cortina Mk2 Estate
2007 - Fiat Ducato LWB 120Multijet
2014 - Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi ES
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Sept 27, 2007 9:05:54 GMT
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I'll throw in a curveball here, if you want high mpg but don't want the weekends of building it, get a Citroen AX. The 1 litre won't do less than 50mpg even if your foot is to the floor the whole time. Best I got was mid 60s to the gallon  They also weigh 0.2 grammes so if you do run out of petrol it's easy to push Something like a Passat, Polo or Scirocco from the late 1980s with the 'E' gearbox (sometimes called the Formula E model) will do upper 40s to the gallon easily, a gentle right foor will beat 50mpg. Plenty of ways to get them looking good too. From an age when VWs were properly reliable, unlike now Something like that is likely to be quieter, more relaxing and more reliable to run if you're doing big mileages. I do 400 miles a week and stuff like this does get important. Save the weekends for spannering stuff you do like, not stuff you have to get ready for work on Monday IMHO |
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Pondering Dieselsmilfordcubicle
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Sept 27, 2007 10:19:32 GMT
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Well with an impending new job starting on Monday, and subsequent 500 weekly mileage I need to start thinking about some economy in my motoring for the daily. Got me thinking about possible RWD Retro tat project that I could put together. Something like a cortina or j/tin, even possibly marina etc. I'm thinking retro style with mpg smiles! When it comes to burning oil I'm clueless as to what fits what. Is the escort/fiesta 1.8TD the same as the sierra version. Which 1905 peugeot lump is fitted to the LDV pilot, and would a turbo variant mount up to the gearbox to give me RWD. Is the Mondeo lump easily mounted to a Type9. There seems to be surge of tuning products out there for them - RWYB anyone Just thinking really, anybody out there performed any diesel retro fits in retro tin and what were the results? I would be really interested to find out or should I just consult the doctors and increase the medication! ;D So far as I know the turbo diesel lump fitted in the LDV Pilots was the XUD9 turbo and non turbo. Came with either a Lucas (bad for tuning) or Bosch (good for tuning) fuel pump and either a KKK K14 (not so much scope) or a Garrett T2 (big with lots of scope for tuning) air cooled turbo. Well, I think they were air cooled. Came in: Citroen Xantia Citroen ZX \ Xsara Rover 420d? LDV Pilot Peugeot 206 \ 306 \ 405 (non TD) Very easy to tune if you adjust the fuelling, but the bearings in the Garrett go at around 120,000 miles and the seals whistle around that mileage as well. Provided you're regular with the oil changes (every 6000 miles) and HOF204, and RELIGIOUS with the coolant changes every two years (like on every XU engine) they're bomb proof. The later HDi engines came with a Garrett GT12 which is a lot smaller. Also came attached to a BE \ ME 3 gearbox, which is rod operated and is lovely. The came can't be said of the clutch linkage, which was cut n' shut across the top of the exhaust manifold on RHD cars because PSA couldn't be arsed to do a proper conversion from LHD. Standard figures are 90 BHP and 145 lb \ ft of torque And if you can nab the Pilot bellhousing on the cheap, get it and make a few quid selling it to people putting XU9J4s (Mi 16s) in kit cars and Moggies. The Pell Genesis for example. *Anorak alert* The earlier LDV 200s had the utterly brilliant Perkins n/a diesel engine. Torqueyer (sp) than something that's pretty torquey they are absolutely ace things. If you want something modern(ish) the PSA 1.9TDs are pretty good (watch out for h/g issues though). Keep as far away as possible from the Vectra/Astra 2.0Di though. Otherwise ace cars the fuel pumps are prone to failure and you'll be looking at about a grand a throw to replace them. If you could find a good Maestro TD that really would be for the win. Ok, awful rep and a lifetime of micky taking by everyone you know. Until they tried to race you and they would be very sorry I can assure you. |
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Sept 27, 2007 10:34:55 GMT
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If you could find a good Maestro TD that really would be for the win. Ok, awful rep and a lifetime of micky taking by everyone you know. Until they tried to race you and they would be very sorry I can assure you. You reckon? 62bhp for the non turbo and 81bhp for the turbo means it's not exactly the hot (Austin) potato  54mpg ain't bad though |
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If you could find a good Maestro TD that really would be for the win. Ok, awful rep and a lifetime of micky taking by everyone you know. Until they tried to race you and they would be very sorry I can assure you. You reckon? 62bhp for the non turbo and 81bhp for the turbo means it's not exactly the hot (Austin) potato 54mpg ain't bad though I promise if you drive one you'll be pleasantly suprised. Raced one many years ago in a pretty hot Cavalier SRi (1.8 c/r box) and he made me look a complete turnip. Also masses of torque ftw! |
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and that's not really the car's fault.
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They also weigh 0.2 grammes so if you do run out of petrol it's easy to push 
