starionturbo
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Sept 22, 2007 16:18:39 GMT
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This isn't a debate about what is or isn't retro, it'd be interesting to find out what everyones opinion is.
Personally i don't see anything made in the 80's as retro unless it's rare. For example, i don't think sierras are retro but the rs 500 cosworth is. I don't see the mk3 and beyond escort as retro, but the series 1 turbo is etc...
Retro to me is late seventies back to early sixties where cars in my opinion become better defined as classics.
I may seem a bit contradictive but i hope you see my point. I always look at the "local spot" threads cause there is some interesting stuff in there at times, but for me at least a lot of "retro" cars that some people post are no more than just "oldish cars" that aren't made anymore.
Retro to me is something that is not seen that much, is maybe a bit "quirky" or hasn't changed that much from it's original design, I admit there will always be exceptions to my "rules" cars are like people they're either cool or not cool, and everyone has their own views.....
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Hirst
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Sept 22, 2007 16:33:07 GMT
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This is a good topic idea, better than the usual "what is retro?".
My personal thought of what is retro, it's an older car that you wouldn't usually see much of, being driven for the fun of it.
By that I mean that a MK2 Fiesta (as an example) in itself might not be retro as they are still being used as cheapo disposable transport by many. But if you've bought a MK2 Fiesta for the fun of owning a MK2 Fiesta, it sort of becomes retro by association. Obviously stuff older than the 80s really would be something you are driving out of choice, so would be retro by default.
Perhaps.
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Sept 22, 2007 16:37:19 GMT
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I have 2 different oppinions on what is retro
1: Anything that is modern and designed to look old. A quote from wikipedia (the dictionary also has a similar definition of retro)
"Retro cars are newly designed cars such as the Toyota FJ Cruiser, PT Cruiser, Plymouth Prowler, MINI, Chevrolet SSR Super Sport Roadster, Chevrolet HHR, New Beetle, or 2005-present Ford Mustang that take many of their style cues from (respectively) the Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40, Chrysler Airflow, the 1932 Ford, the Austin Mini, Chevrolet Suburban, the VW Bug, and 1965-70 Ford Mustang without using any of the original technologies."
And a quote from the dictionary:
"looking at or copying the past"
2: The oppinion that I formed myself. Anything that is between classic and modern. Especially anything that is considered "uncool"
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Sept 22, 2007 16:37:20 GMT
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I think it depends on your age, as well as your cars age. Retro is quite often anything you remember from your childhood.... for me that's 80s stuff like mk2 Cavaliers, Mk3 Escorts, Mk1 Fiestas. Later stuff I'd class as 'retro' if it had the right attitude - Corrado G60 for example, but not a similar age Calibra. And your Sierra point applies, but for me the later examples - Sapphire Cossie is retro, Sapphire GLX is not. Again, that's in my mind since I know people on here own those and love them dearly  I know what you mean about the spottings threads, some of them are borderline retro in my eyes but they're still interesting, and that's what counts. We try occasionally to define 'retro' and fail every time, it just comes down to whether it has attitude. |
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Sept 22, 2007 16:49:05 GMT
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For me its
pre 50's = classic
50's-80's = retro
90's onwards = new cars
Maybe in 10-20 yrs 90's will become retro....who knows but i personaly see way to many cars trying to be past as "retro cars" such as Mk3 Fiestas, VW Corrados, mk1 Mondeos, and loads more and these are cars i see all the time.
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Kyle67
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Sept 22, 2007 16:51:27 GMT
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Really, none of the cars we love so dearly are truly retro.
Retro can really only apply to new cars built in a retro fashion like the Beetle and pig ugly PT Cruiser.
What we have here is retro fashion, where it doesn't seem to matter what cars we all own, we deck them out in the style of old.
Most of the cars owned by forum members are classed as classics/collectors items.
Thinking about it, the age of the car doesn't come into it, it's the style that we apply to it that gives it it's retroness which sets us apart from the Barries.
The oooffff thread has a very diverse range of cars but with very common links that make them appeal to us.
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Sept 22, 2007 16:55:13 GMT
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80's definately retro and quite probably some nineties stuff too. I consider my Frontera Sport quite retro: old fashioned 4x4 looks, the aged (but still fantastic) eight valve Vauxhall lump and easy to work on, unincumbered by silly modern 'electrical everything' technology.
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dimebar
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Sept 22, 2007 17:07:21 GMT
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There is a very fine line in my head and is quite complicated, rarity and age go a long way to being retro but so does the colour and the driver.
Consider this, I recently sold a 1983 Triumph Acclaim in Rattan Beige, now in my mind that was defiantly retro, however I saw a few weeks ago a 80+ year old lady driving a brown Triumph Acclaim of same vintage. Now in my mind that is not retro, it was just her car.
I think retro is a state of mind and a life style choice.
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Sept 22, 2007 17:07:47 GMT
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I don't care! Well maybe a little bit, Stuff from the 80's 70's 60's 50's 40's etc etc are cars from an age now gone, the roads look very different now, so that old tat is retro IMO. We saw a 4 door Chevette yesterday and it was like seeing a ghost wow factor, and thats coming from somone like me who sees stuff like that on here. some of teh 90's kit is now retro now IMO, all depends on if you care and why you care, it will depend on how old you are how much something appeals to you.  |
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Sept 22, 2007 17:19:01 GMT
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I keep saying it: Retro is an attitude; not an age.
I class 'Retro' as the kind of stuff you see on these very forums. A VW Lupo with cleaned bodywork on air and 14x8 TH-Lines is Retro. A 58 Chevy Jacked up with a straight axle front end, spun alloy moon tank, orange windows, spindlemounts, fenderwell headers and piercrust slicks is Retro. An H-reg Bluebird with cut springs, Street Fins and rolled arches is Retro. A Bugtti 35B that still gets raced is Retro.
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stealthstylz
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What do you class as retro?stealthstylz
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Sept 22, 2007 18:32:55 GMT
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Pre 73 = classic
73-late 80s = retro
80s-early 90s = banger
Early 90s on = modern.
IMHO
Matt
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Sept 22, 2007 18:34:07 GMT
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sierra is more retro than most cars of its era, it stayed rwd and most em used 30 year old engine designs the styling was new, the car itself was very traditional, more so than all its rivals.
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Hirst
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Sept 22, 2007 18:45:34 GMT
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The MK1 Sierra was a very futuristic design, so much so that they had to make the facelift more toned down and ordinary. Must have been a very strange sight when they first came out.
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Sept 22, 2007 19:02:00 GMT
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Pre 73 = classic 73-late 80s = retro 80s-early 90s = banger Early 90s on = modern. IMHO Matt I'm with Mr Stealthstylz on this one. |
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Sept 22, 2007 19:08:04 GMT
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A retro car to me is one that has been a cheap old banger, filled the scrappys for a few years & then becomes strangely apealing.
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Retrojunkie
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Sept 22, 2007 19:45:18 GMT
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Its undefinable by it very nature, I think Penski is right its more of an attitude, for me its any car that makes me remember my childhood, the cars I used to see around the roads that are not commonplace any more.
The ugly ones, the beautiful ones and the just plain practical ones.
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Sept 22, 2007 19:50:25 GMT
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Pre 73 = classic 73-late 80s = retro 80s-early 90s = banger Early 90s on = modern. IMHO Matt I'm with Mr Stealthstylz on this one. I have a car that was originally designed in the early '80s, launched in the late '80s and sold in 1993, so how does that work? |
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Last Edit: Sept 22, 2007 19:50:58 GMT by milfordcubicle
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Sept 22, 2007 22:25:11 GMT
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to me anything after 1990 kinda boars me to tears but thats just me and my state of mind which exactly sums up what retro is it really is a state of mind and somethign you cant really define in my oppinion
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Sept 23, 2007 0:25:25 GMT
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The MK1 Sierra was a very futuristic design, so much so that they had to make the facelift more toned down and ordinary. Must have been a very strange sight when they first came out. There wern't considered special or futuristic as I recall. They just referred to them as "Jelly-moulds" which wasn't a flattering term by any stretch of the imagination. In fact when the Hyundai Stellar came out it was marketted as the car the Sierra should or could have been. Ford went through a bad patch styling wise for quite a few years in my opinion. |
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Hirst
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Sept 23, 2007 0:53:02 GMT
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The body design was very futuristic for the time, that was a big reason why it was initially unpopular. The aerodynamic "jellymould" styling was just too far a leap from the last Cortina and the rest of the Ford range. This obviously didn't sit well with buyers and the press, who wanted something more ordinary looking - probably why they'd be quite keen on the Stellar! As with most radically different cars, it had its fair share of initial problems too, which didn't help - the press jumped on that, as they would!
The styling was definitely ahead of its time and was rewarded later on when people became used to it (and the facelifts toned it down a bit). Whether you're a fan of it is up to opinion, but at the end of the day the Sierra is still a popular sight on the roads and doesn't look too out of place within modern traffic today - can't say the same about the Stellar!
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