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Dec 25, 2017 13:28:18 GMT
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Whilst I'm as big a lover of internal combustion as the next man on here, watching stuff such as the Guy Martin programme on Robot Cars and the first event of the Formula e season recently has given me notion to learn a bit more about it all.
Does anyone have any recommendations as to websites or books on the subject that are worth reading?
Ideally something which also looks at an electric driveline powered by an on-board generator rather than just battery powered, or the more common hybrid setup of an internal combustion dribeline supplemented/substituted by the electric side of things.
All suggestions greatfully received.
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tristanh
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Dec 25, 2017 14:17:21 GMT
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Guy over here has somehow sourced a Tesla power unit, and is well on the way to having it powering a Bmw 840 Coupe.
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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steveg
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Dec 25, 2017 17:42:01 GMT
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There is a fair bit on Youtube about cars that have been converted. I think it will be easier to build a high performance electric vehicle than it will a petrol one soon.
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Dec 25, 2017 17:42:17 GMT
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I spent a couple of weeks as a passenger in a Toyota Yaris Hybrid recently and was impressed, maybe look for a write-off to use as a donor? The drive is all electric but it has a petrol motor to recharge the batteries or add boost when needed (almost reverse of the more common "petrol with electric boost" configuration), look up "Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD)" for the details.
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MonzaPhil
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Dec 25, 2017 18:19:56 GMT
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Honda IMA hybrids are very cheap, seen them go for £500
There are a couple of electric conversion websites I'll try to find links for.
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Dec 25, 2017 19:03:43 GMT
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Tesla have openly and proudly said anybody can have their technology for the electric motor and powertrain.
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Dec 25, 2017 21:35:11 GMT
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I spent a couple of weeks as a passenger in a Toyota Yaris Hybrid recently and was impressed, maybe look for a write-off to use as a donor? The drive is all electric but it has a petrol motor to recharge the batteries or add boost when needed (almost reverse of the more common "petrol with electric boost" configuration), look up " Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD)" for the details. Are you SURE that's how it works? As Toyota's Hybrid drive has always used the electric part more as a first gear than any worthwhile drivetrain. Hybrid Synergy Drive is a classic group of meaningless marketing-curse word words
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Dec 25, 2017 21:54:33 GMT
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lord13
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I have driven a yaris hybrid recently, it did indeed start on the petrol motor, but then after a while switched over to all electric and it drove on that for the rest of the journey. It was a pleasant experience, although a little 'antiseptic'. I am intrigued by all this electric-jiggery-pokery, not sure i'm a fan but it is a very interesting idea.
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I fancy a modern hybrid in a retro body - maybe a Prius / Golf mk2 would be a decent swap?
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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When I used to deliver demonstrator vehicles, admittedly a few years ago, we had Honda as one of the Manufacturers. The Honda Hybrids I drove then were the absolute worst 'cars' I had ever had ther misfortune of moving, Particularly if you needed to get a wiggle on, for example turning right at a busy interchange, or joining fast moving traffic.
6000 rpm indicated would get you around 25mph! At the same time you went deaf from the screaming, although that may have been me as well as the car!
I would hope that things have moved on apace since then (they could hardly have got worse) but if this is an accuate measure of hybrids I wouldn't drive one again, let alone waste time modifying.
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Dec 27, 2017 13:48:37 GMT
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I can see how poor matching of motors, driveline and controller will make for a terrible vehicle to drive, but to be fair any car with an engine and gearbox combination that isn't particularly well matched to the vehicle and it's intended use then it's also going to be awful to drive.
Diesel Electric has been a well proven idea in railway locomotives for over 50 years, and newer 'hybrid' and electric only vehicles (Tesla at least) seem to be showing that it's possible to do it and have a decent performance element behind them.
From what reading I've been doing so far it's not a particularly cheap option (into 5 figure sums) and still has the limitations of current battery tech, but I suppose that's part of the difference between being on the cutting -rather than the bleeding- edge of the technology.
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madmog
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Bit late to this thread but I think converting classics to electric is going to become a thing. With London sticking a new enviro tax on pre Euro 4 petrol and pre euro 6 diesels, other cities are watching and waiting to follow once the bugs are ironed out. This is in addition to the existing congestion charge, and it's already in discussion to roll out to the N & S Circular roads. tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/november/gla---ultra-low-emission-zone-will-start-in-2019Much as I'd love to rant about the above, it's going to level the playing field a bit for converted electric vehicles driving around towns. If you do less than 50 miles a day, it's relatively easy Certainly battery tech has a way to go. Tesla freed up their patents but the technology is not simple to reproduce - aluminium sonic bonding anyone? The biggest bang per buck commercially available is Lithium Ion but that's the one that burns and gives off oxygen to burn even more when it overcharges. One cell can go wrong and cause the next one to overcharge and cause a chain reaction. Lithium Iron Phosphate is stable but less energy density and more expensive. If you know your required range, you can budget for that. No point paying for 150 mile range if you only need 20 per day. Plus as time goes on, replacing with newer, better batteries is less hassle than replacing engines. This guy's doing a great job I think www.facebook.com/LondonElectricCars/OP what range do you need?
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Last Edit: Apr 2, 2018 17:59:08 GMT by madmog
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Take a look on here www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/ I have an electric motor (16-60Kw @120v) and controller for my Sandrail, or as I am just finishing up putting the MX5 engine in it, a different sandrail. All I need is batteries - which is where it starts to get really expensive.
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Apr 10, 2018 17:36:17 GMT
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For books I recently borrowed 'Hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles' by James D Halderman & Tony Martin from my college library. Has good explanations of the hybrid drive systems and systems like regenerative braking and stop/start units. Worth a read through if you are looking to gain an understanding of different types if electric vehicles. It's an American book so some of the references and view points appear a bit different for my European brain.
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moocow
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Apr 16, 2018 19:51:11 GMT
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Check out jimmy.built on instagram. Tesla powered Honda gasser!!!
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Apr 17, 2018 13:52:48 GMT
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Check out the boys at Mighty Car Mods on Youtube. They did an EV a couple of years back. The trouble with second hand EV's to be used as donor vehicles is the high voltage used. In the industry I work in, everyone who might come into contact with a hybrid or electric vehicle is being trained on high voltage and apparently in the trade, untrained mechanics can not work on them or at least the high voltage aspect.
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