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Feb 10, 2019 10:11:21 GMT
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Did they fill the back of the sill with foam to repair it? Looks for all the world like the insides of an old sofa cushion. It's just piles of crud - a combination of 50 years of fine road debris / sands & dirt's that have been washed into the sill cavity through the unsealed panel joints along with a healthy dose of rust flakes and topped up with bits of rusty MIG wire and a good dose of filler debris from the first restoration |
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Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019 12:16:13 GMT by Deleted
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I had dropped the fuel tank off with Pete on one of my runs though the Midlands and he had refurbished it with one of Frosts fuel tank restoration kits to very good effect - he also refinished the exterior of it where it is seen within the boot well - the underside of it will be Dinitrol treated once it's refitted - I collected it from Pete when I was back up at the NEC in November and it's now wrapped up and in storage in the loft  So with the nearside A post / bulkhead return panel & the inner / outer sill done I returned to the front of the car again I started with cleaning off any paint around the front panels / front cross member  Awkward to access with anything mechanical so it got treated with paint stripper  Difficult areas like this can be sorted quickly with the stripper liberally applied a pair of marigold gloves and some medium course wire wool which gets into all the corners / swages and you soon have the all the results that hours of faffing around with bits of wire brushes & scrapers cant achieve  They were still a few component parts fastened to the inside of the bulkhead - myself & Pete had not thought that the removal of them was warranted but having found further surface rust on the bulkhead they were removed and Pete collected them - he will get them cleaned up & painted has required ready for when the bodyshell goes back to him painted   I had already done the repairs to the top of the inner wings and now wanted to complete the under bonnet & engine bay areas - we were aware of this ugly looking half hearted repair on the offside chassis leg which is where the steering box mounts   So what's this hiding then  Apparently it's a weak spot on the car and the hole apertures fracture   Here comes the repairs  Note the temporary bracing from the bulkhead to the front of the chassis leg - it take a few mins to install / remove - so why take chances when chopping lumps out of structural members - I have seen so many not bother though - then scratch their heads when outer panels no longer fit or the car handles badly  On going  Done   But what do we have here - still the offside front chassis leg but just adjacent to the bulkhead where it joins the main chassis rail  Only one way to find out  More grot covered over and this is a critical point - a frontal impact on a chassis leg and the leg would just breakaway at this point seeking the path of least resistance - you might be lucky if it does not puncture the bulkhead / floor pan and spear your ankles in such an event    Double skinned repair in 1.8mm inner skin & 1.2mm outer skin completed   |
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glenanderson
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That shell would frighten the living daylights out of me. You really can’t trust any of it can you?
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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samta22
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Feb 11, 2019 10:08:49 GMT
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Looks like a bit of a pandora's box, nicely remedied as usual though. Glad you mentioned the caveat about the work being over the last few months, while never going to be as quick or as effective as you, I was starting to seriously question how long I took to do things!  |
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Feb 11, 2019 11:28:19 GMT
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That shell would frighten the living daylights out of me. You really can’t trust any of it can you? i doubt its specific to this car either, which is the worrying thing. how many cars of this vintage trundling round with MOTs, hiding this kind of localised structural weakness. i reckon many. whats inside the chassis rail where the steering box mounts, does it have crush tubes or Z plates? or just relies on generous material thickness/layers ? |
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Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019 11:29:44 GMT by darrenh
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Feb 11, 2019 12:12:13 GMT
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That shell would frighten the living daylights out of me. You really can’t trust any of it can you? i doubt its specific to this car either, which is the worrying thing. how many cars of this vintage trundling round with MOTs, hiding this kind of localised structural weakness. i reckon many. whats inside the chassis rail where the steering box mounts, does it have crush tubes or Z plates? or just relies on generous material thickness/layers ? Darren - You are not wrong with the vast majority of my work that now comes through the workshop is rectifying the horrors of some shockingly poor first restorations but the bodge fraternity are still out there hard at play substituting structural steel with any form of a quick fix - lumps of wood, lashings of fibreglass & buckets of filler and has you state it's not just Pete's Corsair either - no hints  but keep watching the progress on the Jowett Jupiter restoration that I have just started a thread on They are crush tubes for the steering box mounting within the chassis Chris |
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Feb 11, 2019 13:13:58 GMT
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Chris, Pete advised me privately the costs of your restoration on his car, but do these 'unexpected' repairs come in as extra or do you always allow for 'hidded' horrors within your price?
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Feb 11, 2019 13:14:19 GMT
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melle
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Feb 11, 2019 14:28:01 GMT
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Note the temporary bracing from the bulkhead to the front of the chassis leg - it take a few mins to install / remove - so why take chances when chopping lumps out of structural members - I have seen so many not bother though - then scratch their heads when outer panels no longer fit or the car handles badly Fully agree, I have learnt the hard way and will have to rebuild half the front of my Saab 95. Just curious, do you have any specific reason for consequently writing "has" where I would write "as"? |
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Feb 11, 2019 15:13:33 GMT
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Just curious, do you have any specific reason for consequently writing "has" where I would write "as"? [/quote] Ive been itching to ask that same question! |
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Feb 11, 2019 16:36:30 GMT
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Chris, Pete advised me privately the costs of your restoration on his car, but do these 'unexpected' repairs come in as extra or do you always allow for 'hidded' horrors within your price? Mark - The hidden horrors come in has extra we did have a small contingency to start with but that soon went - I'm fair and honest - not the type that quotes low to get the job in the door then charges 3 times the original estimate - myself & Pete will have a discussion on the additional work and we will arrive at a figure that we are both happy with - we are both realists and it's nice that I am in a position that I can not only choose the type of work that I undertake but I can also choose the client too - if neither fits my remit then it's not coming through the door - it's next to impossible without throwing a wayward figure into the ring to know / ensure that you have covered every inch of work - very easy on a modern but next to impossible on something older until you get it stripped - and on that note watch the how my latest Jowett thread goes |
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Feb 11, 2019 16:40:57 GMT
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Note the temporary bracing from the bulkhead to the front of the chassis leg - it take a few mins to install / remove - so why take chances when chopping lumps out of structural members - I have seen so many not bother though - then scratch their heads when outer panels no longer fit or the car handles badly Fully agree, I have learnt the hard way and will have to rebuild half the front of my Saab 95. Just curious, do you have any specific reason for consequently writing "has" where I would write "as"? Er the has vs as question - none at all - I blame it on my education along with originating from Yorkshire although bak tup theeh wed sahy it 'thas' or 'haz' |
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Feb 11, 2019 16:45:04 GMT
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I'm no expert but i would think this kind of work on this age of car would fall into the same category as building work. whatever you are (genuinely) quoted , allow double for the unexpected....any less than that and you will have enough change back for a bottle of wine/meal out/weekend away/week holiday/6 month cruise on a sliding scale!!
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Feb 11, 2019 17:08:33 GMT
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That shell would frighten the living daylights out of me. You really can’t trust any of it can you? i doubt its specific to this car either, which is the worrying thing. how many cars of this vintage trundling round with MOTs, hiding this kind of localised structural weakness. i reckon many. whats inside the chassis rail where the steering box mounts, does it have crush tubes or Z plates? or just relies on generous material thickness/layers ? also don't forget this age of car is now mot exempt - even scarier what could be hiding. |
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Feb 11, 2019 19:09:48 GMT
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Feb 11, 2019 19:59:40 GMT
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Thanks for the answer Chris, I wondered as although anyone can expect some hidden horrors on an old car - a good look/poke will reveal a lot to the trained restorer but there will always be unwelcome surprises. As such I just wondered how it went with estimates/quotes for restoration work.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:22:30 GMT
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Thanks for the answer Chris, I wondered as although anyone can expect some hidden horrors on an old car - a good look/poke will reveal a lot to the trained restorer but there will always be unwelcome surprises. As such I just wondered how it went with estimates/quotes for restoration work. Mark - It's just a matter of being of being honest and keeping in touch with your clients with this type of work - but I have heard some horrific stories over the years - I have a customer that sent a Humber Hawk to a restoration company that had done some previous work for him - he wanted it tidying up - they quoted £12k - they returned the car to him tidied up with a £48k invoice - he sent it to auction 12 months later and it sold for £11k  |
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Feb 11, 2019 21:01:20 GMT
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^Ouch, that would have hurt. Wouldn’t have been so bad if it were a Super Snipe Estate.....
Anyhow, I’m greatly enjoying this thread. I had about a half dozen Mk 2 Cortinas and a Corsair 2000E back in the day, this is bringing back all kinds of memories.
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Feb 11, 2019 23:22:27 GMT
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Thanks for the answer Chris, I wondered as although anyone can expect some hidden horrors on an old car - a good look/poke will reveal a lot to the trained restorer but there will always be unwelcome surprises. As such I just wondered how it went with estimates/quotes for restoration work. Mark - It's just a matter of being of being honest and keeping in touch with your clients with this type of work - but I have heard some horrific stories over the years - I have a customer that sent a Humber Hawk to a restoration company that had done some previous work for him - he wanted it tidying up - they quoted £12k - they returned the car to him tidied up with a £48k invoice - he sent it to auction 12 months later and it sold for £11k Holy curse word!! is that even legal? certainly immoral. I think the restorers (or any company) should always ask if it is ok to keep going once it gets to the qoute figure, or if it looks like it will spiral way beyond a quoted figure discussions should be had as to whether the customer should (or want to) continue. I'm not casting you into the above statement obviously!! |
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glenanderson
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I’ve had the opposite. I had to constantly fight to get the people who did the restoration work on my P4 Rover to stop cutting corners to “save me money” thinking they were doing me some kind of favour. How on earth they thought someone who was happy to pay £2K plus having custom hides commissioned from Connolly to retrim the interior would be happy with M6 nuts holding the front panel work together, or wheels painted on their visible faces without removing the tyres or even cleaning the inners which were left rusty and different colours. That was supposed to be a marque expert too.
And yes, I sold the car for less than 20% of what it’d cost me when it finally came time to part. I’d have loved to have found someone with Chris’s eye for detail back when I had the money but no time.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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but keep watching the progress on the Jowett Jupiter restoration that I have just started a thread on 
