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Mar 27, 2017 15:43:32 GMT
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I painted my van in celly, no laquer, 6 months or so ago. Its not perfect, but good enough for my needs. Whats annoying though is I get dirt streaks which really show onbthe blue section. This has just been washed... I did wax it (too early) with simoniz wax (horrible to apply!). So, 2 questions. How can I get rid of these streaks without mopping it? Clay? (Not used that before). Secondly, what can i do to limit this in future? Better wax? The paint was given a light flat and a mop. Its smooth ish but its not a full on glass smooth finish, more decent gun finish.
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ChasR
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dirt streaks on paintworkChasR
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Mar 27, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
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This is an odd one as you have done pretty much what I would have done!
Normally a good wax keeps it off and Simoniz is alright! Try using a damp applicator next time and not putting too much on, it makes a great difference. It did to me applying Collinite 476S.
If it were me I'd try claying ; the G3 clay mitt makes very easy work of claying over the normal clay bars.
One question remains however. Are you drying your cars afterwards?
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Mar 27, 2017 16:58:41 GMT
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Not drying this. Its not worth it. These streaks don't seem to come from the wash water. They are building up and happen as rain washes dirt down the van. When I clean it some streaks come off, some lessen and some stay the same.
Its worse where water runs off from an obstruction, like where the water runs down from the roof gutters etc.
I'm not fussy about the van, small scratches, paint chips, water marks etc arent a problem for me but as these streaks get worse its starting to look like it needs washing even though I was it regularly even though its not driven much.
I have had nice shiny perfect cars before but cant remember what wax I used to use. The simoniz was awfull to apply compared to whatever it was i used to use (wasnt anything special).
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Mar 27, 2017 17:24:52 GMT
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Hi, It looks like it could be coming from the rubber seals round the windows and the roof pop-up. UV over time degrades the surface of the rubber, it will look dry so try scotchbrite to remove the dry surface and then seal it with something like boot polish. You already know what you need to do with the paintwork.
Colin
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vulgalour
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Mar 27, 2017 17:29:21 GMT
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Are you still on the old rear window seals? The reason I suggest the window seals is the Princess does exactly the same thing because the windscreen seal has degraded quite badly and streaks in exactly the same way. The only way to shift it is polish regularly, clay bar or just plain old elbow grease and a soapy flannel, for some reason flannel shifts it better than sponge.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:35:57 GMT
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I hadnt considered the seals. Only the rear door seals are old, all the others are new. The rear doors are worst area though. The other streaks all seem to only happen where the water runs off in rivers (like the gutter drains).
The side windows though have been sealed around the frame with PU adhesive/sealer. Its done the job perfectly but thinking about it the water is running along this seam before running down the paint. I assume this situation will settle down eventually though.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:38:10 GMT
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So, plan of action... Sort out and seal rear rubbers (may as well seal the PU seam the same way). Clean and clay paint, wax thoroughly. Thanks, sometimes you just need to talk things through
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This is an odd one as you have done pretty much what I would have done! Normally a good wax keeps it off and Simoniz is alright! Try using a damp applicator next time and not putting too much on, it makes a great difference. It did to me applying Collinite 476S.If it were me I'd try claying ; the G3 clay mitt makes very easy work of claying over the normal clay bars. One question remains however. Are you drying your cars afterwards? This is great advice, especially as i use the same wax!
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Mar 28, 2017 10:00:49 GMT
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This is an odd one as you have done pretty much what I would have done! Normally a good wax keeps it off and Simoniz is alright! Try using a damp applicator next time and not putting too much on, it makes a great difference. It did to me applying Collinite 476S.If it were me I'd try claying ; the G3 clay mitt makes very easy work of claying over the normal clay bars. One question remains however. Are you drying your cars afterwards? This is great advice, especially as i use the same wax! Ill try that. when I put it on first time it went very hard very quick (it wasnt warm, autumn time). It dried almost instantly and sort of turned to powdery candle wax and was a nightmare to buff off. Could see wax spirals for months. Whatever last one I used went on more like butter then dried In about 15 mins and buffed up easy.
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Mar 28, 2017 10:02:52 GMT
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That is a result of putting it on too thick, with the Colinite stuff you put it on and can barely see it, especially on light coloured cars.
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Mar 28, 2017 10:20:32 GMT
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I did go quite heavy, heavy application hadnt been an issue with other makes, obviously no so with simoniz. Ill go easy next time
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Mar 28, 2017 10:25:32 GMT
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I did go quite heavy, heavy application hadnt been an issue with other makes, obviously no so with simoniz. Ill go easy next time Tends to be the better the wax the less you want to be putting on. Simoniz is pretty good.
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Mar 28, 2017 16:06:01 GMT
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Simoniz wax is absolute rubbish, avoid it!
For your streaks I would suggest a machine polish followed by a sealant correctly applied. Then all you need to do is keep on top of it with a sealant friendly wash routine (PH neutral shampoo etc...).
Rubber seals are a very good shout for the cause although whatever you do don't seal them with polish!!!
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Mar 28, 2017 16:26:56 GMT
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You're talking about waxes which seal the paintwork afterwards- they won't remove marks. For that you need a polish. Something like autoglym super resin polish is a fairly mild abrasive that should help to remove the streaks.
Wash > polish > wax
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Mar 28, 2017 16:37:53 GMT
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Simoniz wax is absolute rubbish, avoid it! For your streaks I would suggest a machine polish followed by a sealant correctly applied. Then all you need to do is keep on top of it with a sealant friendly wash routine (PH neutral shampoo etc...). Rubber seals are a very good shout for the cause although whatever you do don't seal them with polish!!! Can you recomend a decent normally priced wax? It is far from a great quality paint job, I painted it outdoors, in the dark (honestly), so I'm not going to spend loads on products and have a serious cleaning/waxing routine. I just want it to look like its been washed once ive washed it. edit... Any recomendations on sealing the rubbers then? They don't leak, and are presentable enough, so ill leave them in. They do need a scrub up and treating with something though.
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Last Edit: Mar 28, 2017 16:42:05 GMT by VW
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Mar 28, 2017 16:40:39 GMT
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You're talking about waxes which seal the paintwork afterwards- they won't remove marks. For that you need a polish. Something like autoglym super resin polish is a fairly mild abrasive that should help to remove the streaks. Wash > polish > wax The general thought was that claying it might get rid of the streaks. A mild polish might be better though as it never got a final polish. I just knocked it back a little with 2500 grit and then mopped it.
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Mar 28, 2017 16:52:54 GMT
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You're talking about waxes which seal the paintwork afterwards- they won't remove marks. For that you need a polish. Something like autoglym super resin polish is a fairly mild abrasive that should help to remove the streaks. Wash > polish > wax That's why I said machine polish first if you read my post... Autoglym SRP is rubbish too, contains more filling ingredients that abrasives so will do more to mask the problem than cure it.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:13:39 GMT
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You're talking about waxes which seal the paintwork afterwards- they won't remove marks. For that you need a polish. Something like autoglym super resin polish is a fairly mild abrasive that should help to remove the streaks. Wash > polish > wax That's why I said machine polish first if you read my post... Autoglym SRP is rubbish too, contains more filling ingredients that abrasives so will do more to mask the problem than cure it. I'm trying to avoid machine polishing as I no longer have a polisher, that and the paint is a little thin in places (the black anyway). If it gets another polish it will have to be by hand.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:06:35 GMT
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Have a pop over to www.detailingworld.co.uk it is full of incredibly helpful and genuinely nice chaos who will be more than happy to give you some suggestions on how to overcome your problem here. If you explain your experience and issues you'll get some positive and helpful feedback. In regards to Claying this is a process used to remove contaminants which are not removed with a normal washing procedure, so this would focus on tough bonded on gunk, tar and the like from the road. I can't seem to see that in this circumstance Claying would help. A polish would again from what I understand either remove a fine layer of paint, much like cutting back after a respray, or add a fine later of product to fill swirls and other minor contaminants. Does the dirt wash out through a normal washing procedure? If so, could you not try a wax on that area and see if it returns? I can't help but think that scratcher would give some excellent advice here.
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Mar 28, 2017 21:18:37 GMT
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You're talking about waxes which seal the paintwork afterwards- they won't remove marks. For that you need a polish. Something like autoglym super resin polish is a fairly mild abrasive that should help to remove the streaks. Wash > polish > wax That's why I said machine polish first if you read my post... Autoglym SRP is rubbish too, contains more filling ingredients that abrasives so will do more to mask the problem than cure it. And I was suggesting methods that are realistic based on the original request...
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