dikkehemaworst
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Tell me Q plates pleasedikkehemaworst
@dikkehemaworst
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Jan 31, 2017 22:53:17 GMT
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Maybe it's because I'm from holland , but I do not understand a Q plate on a car , and why nobody wants one. I know it has something to do with alterations on a car , but if you went through all the trouble of building your dreamcar , why not Settle for a Q plate?
This really puzzels me and I like to understand.
Thanks already Greetings Frans
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Jan 31, 2017 23:04:35 GMT
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A couple of decades ago, it was looked on as being 'dodgy' or for knackered cars.
Nowadays, it says (to me at least) that the owner has gone to the effort of getting it tested and registered correctly.
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Jan 31, 2017 23:18:36 GMT
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Cars got Q plates if its identity/age couldn't be proved, hence why always linked as dodgy.
These days if a home build has been properly tested and registered surely it would be plated as a new car?
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Darkspeed
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Tell me Q plates pleaseDarkspeed
@darkspeed
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Jan 31, 2017 23:18:49 GMT
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The issue with a Q is that it's a non transferable plate - Once it's on that car it is on it for good, and it describes the car as undeterminable year of manufacture, or manufactured from parts from more than one source that the age of manufacture could not be determined.
If building a special or a replica, it is often preferable to fit that car with a "Period" plate or a vanity plate, the Q plate does not allow that.
You could build a Strato's, and you can if not issued a Q plate, or other non transferable, once built, fit a plate of the period, and many would not be able to tell if it was real or "fake". With a Q plate you are 99% sure it would be a fake.
I have owned many Q plate cars and it has advantages and disadvantages.
The greater majority of Q's are issued for kit cars and home built specials.
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Darkspeed
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Tell me Q plates pleaseDarkspeed
@darkspeed
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Jan 31, 2017 23:24:05 GMT
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Cars got Q plates if its identity/age couldn't be proved, hence why always linked as dodgy. These days if a home build has been properly tested and registered surely it would be plated as a new car? No. These days all special builds are required to have (B)IVA and are all tested to the same standard (Differences on emissions for engines apply) - It is the differences in the available paperwork and proof of age of the parts that determine the registration plate/age/type issued.
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Jan 31, 2017 23:34:49 GMT
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Cars got Q plates if its identity/age couldn't be proved, hence why always linked as dodgy. These days if a home build has been properly tested and registered surely it would be plated as a new car? No. These days all special builds are required to have (B)IVA and are all tested to the same standard (Differences on emissions for engines apply) - It is the differences in the available paperwork and proof of age of the parts that determine the registration plate/age/type issued. Its not something ive ever had to deal with. I was under the impression that if it was a normal car but couldnt prove age you would end up on a Q, but if it was a kit or too heavily modified it would need testing (sva?)/registering as new. My knowledge on it is sparce, was just going by my uncle in laws kit build/sva experience that is now registered as a brand new car.
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Tell me Q plates pleaseMercdan68
@forddan68
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I remember the car dealers I worked for in the late 80s Taking an RS1600i mk3 escort in px That car was a Q plate , I and others were very sceptical about it, the car sat in the showroom for a while then sold It was then taken from the new owner by the met police The car turned out to be a stolen car, I clearly remember the owner turning up and getting all his money back from my then boss Q plates seemed to be handed out very easily back then
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steveg
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Q plates were introduced back in the early 80's and it was mainly a way to register cars built using used parts in a new or self built body so it was mainly aimed at kit cars. Because the rules then applied to cars that had been rebuilt and cars that were imported and there was a question about their age they ended up getting a Q plate as well. The problem then was that any car registered this way could be considered a bit dodgy either because it was home built, not always very well or had some sort of hidden past.
Today a Q plate should represent a car that an owner have built very well and has had to pass some fairly difficult tests to be allowed on the road. If it's a kit car it doesn't really matter but sometimes a car will have to get a Q plate if it's been modified a lot. Having to pass the tests can prevent a builder doing things how they want to plus they will have to fit modern reflective plates on an otherwise old looking car, I think, which would spoil the look of a rat rod a little. If a kit car is built from new parts it can get a new registration.
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The other issue is that insurance companies are very uppity about Q plated cars, lots will not even entertain them and the ones that will, want to charge you double the amount a normal registered model would cost. I've run into this twice with perfectly ordinary, un-modified cars, one an 84 Oldsmobile station wagon and one a bog stock mkI Fiesta of German origin. Both got Qs because the age could not be proven on DVLAs terms even though year and month of build data for both cars was included in the vin number! The Fiesta I registered myself and went to the trouble of having it dated in writing by the local Ford dealer. This cut no ice at all with DVLA and I still got a Q. The critical point here, is not that the age cannot be proven, but that DVLA will not accept the evidence. They only accept paper stuff like an american pink slip or whatever the Germans use for a V5 with a DOFR on it! No paper and you are doomed to a Q. Kits and modifieds are, of course a completely different kettle of fish, but the stigma of the Q remains, deserved or not! It's only recently that DVLA has got super tough on modified cars and rodders resent it, having "got away with it" for so long!
Steve
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Tell me Q plates pleaseMercdan68
@forddan68
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Shame I can't remember the full Reg of the rs1600i It was Q.. FAD just can't remember the two numbers Wonder what happened to it??
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Rob M
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Tell me Q plates pleaseRob M
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The other issue is that insurance companies are very uppity about Q plated cars, lots will not even entertain them and the ones that will, want to charge you double the amount a normal registered model would cost. I've run into this twice with perfectly ordinary, un-modified cars, one an 84 Oldsmobile station wagon and one a bog stock mkI Fiesta of German origin. Both got Qs because the age could not be proven on DVLAs terms even though year and month of build data for both cars was included in the vin number! The Fiesta I registered myself and went to the trouble of having it dated in writing by the local Ford dealer. This cut no ice at all with DVLA and I still got a Q. The critical point here, is not that the age cannot be proven, but that DVLA will not accept the evidence. They only accept paper stuff like an american pink slip or whatever the Germans use for a V5 with a DOFR on it! No paper and you are doomed to a Q. Kits and modifieds are, of course a completely different kettle of fish, but the stigma of the Q remains, deserved or not! It's only recently that DVLA has got super tough on modified cars and rodders resent it, having "got away with it" for so long! Steve ^^^^ This Back in the mid 90s I had a Cavalier that got pulled in on a roadside spot check. It turned out that the vin number was missing from where it should have been on the floor pan. The car had to be registered as a Q plate, my insurer immediately cancelled the policy and I then had to hunt down an insurer who would take it on. There were not that many and I ended up paying way more for a policy for it. Lose lose. Personally, kit car excepted, Id not touch one with a barge pole, you are going to be into all sorts of issues if it gets stolen, damaged or you are in an accident. You can see the insurer doing its upmost to pay out very little ( how much for a pile of parts made into a car?) if your car is written off and, should you want to sell it on, who really wants a Q plate when they can by a 'proper' plated car? A bloody nightmare to avoid.
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Darkspeed
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Tell me Q plates pleaseDarkspeed
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Far more chance of buying a dodgy car with a normal plate than a dodgy car with a Q - Q just makes it memorable. The stigma is not a deserved one.
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Rob M
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Tell me Q plates pleaseRob M
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Far more chance of buying a dodgy car with a normal plate than a dodgy car with a Q - Q just makes it memorable. The stigma is not a deserved one. I quite agree that you can buy a dodgy car with a normal plate, many cars that were Q plated may have been given the registration unjustifiably so, I think my old Cavalier was. If you are prepared to find an insurer who will cover one, pay more to insure one, be prepared to receive less of a pay out for one, if it go missing or is written off, than you would get for an equivillent normal plated car then, yes, do it. Some specials are out there, IIRC a Q plate 4x4 Escort was recently sold at Anglia classic auctions, and they will attract buyers who are not fussed about the stigma or 'lack of' practicalities of the Q plate. I got burned big time by mine, its coloured my judgement I suppose.
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Tell me Q plates pleaseMercdan68
@forddan68
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Tbh after being involved with cars both buying selling as a career and as a hobby I wouldn't touch a q plate Just my experience and opinion
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benzine
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Tell me Q plates pleasebenzine
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I built a Q plate kit car. I got a Q as I didn't use a single sierra donor, otherwise I'd have kept the donor's V5 and gone for an age related plate. I wasn't bothered at all, not fussed by any image and I have no plans to sell. Insurance for me is £90/year and visual smoke test for emissions. Also BRB, lol.
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steveg
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I built a Q plate kit car. I got a Q as I didn't use a single sierra donor, otherwise I'd have kept the donor's V5 and gone for an age related plate. I wasn't bothered at all, not fussed by any image and I have no plans to sell. Insurance for me is £90/year and visual smoke test for emissions. Also BRB, lol. You must have built it a while ago as you can't use the donor logbook like that now. In fact you are lucky you didn't as they would probably take the logbook away and you would have to get it through the test. If you buy an old kit car unless it states the make and model of the kit and made from parts at the bottom of the log book you are better off with a Q plate. When DVLA closed all of the local offices they lost a lot of information so a Q plate is at least an indication someone tried to do it properly!
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benzine
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Just to clarify in both the Q plate and age related routes, I'm talking about both going through the IVA test (SVA in 2006 in my case) and then registering correctly. I'm not talking about using the donor's V5 as the ID for the kit car. That route is rather naughty!
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steveg
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Just to clarify in both the Q plate and age related routes, I'm talking about both going through the IVA test (SVA in 2006 in my case) and then registering correctly. I'm not talking about using the donor's V5 as the ID for the kit car. That route is rather naughty! Ah, I see. A lot of kits were built and just carried on being driven on the old registration, nobody seemed to bother but it's all coming back to bite them now. One thing I see happening a lot is people buying unfinished kits that haven't been registered and then expect to just buy a donor car and using the logbook from that as they used to do.
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Tbh after being involved with cars both buying selling as a career and as a hobby I wouldn't touch a q plate Just my experience and opinion Why? *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Tell me Q plates pleaseMercdan68
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Tbh after being involved with cars both buying selling as a career and as a hobby I wouldn't touch a q plate Just my experience and opinion Why? *n Unless it's a kit car , most were dubious a few years ago, always hard to sell and as said insurance companies hate them
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