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Oct 21, 2016 21:06:35 GMT
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The wifey has finally gave me the go ahead for me to get a classic after 3 years of modern and "safe" cars as she's now learning to drive and is going to have the civic
With the budget of about £2.5k I've been looking at three choices
Beetle - decent amount about for the price but seem quite cilishe
2cv - look like a barrel of laughs but also look frightfully flimsy
Minor/ traveler - don't see to many up here and I live the look of them.
To be honest though I have no experience with any of them I'm sure a fair few of you on here will have owned and cherished these car before.
As it will be my daily I will be doing short trips week days about 3 miles to and back from work. And at weekends will be wanting to go for a bit of a cruise along whitley bay coast.
Any info on issues good/bad points are greatly appreciated
So far the morris traveller is wining because I love the wood paneling would love to know if there has ever been any modern small engine swaps in them too can find loads of info in big v8,v6, pinto engines in them but would love to have a modern 1.0 -1.6 fuel injected motor in one
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Last Edit: Oct 21, 2016 21:07:57 GMT by Barrass
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Oct 21, 2016 21:12:32 GMT
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If I had a £2,500.00 budget I'd go for the Minor.
For that sort of money the only Traveler you'll buy will be one in need of major restoration & requiring significant expenditure.
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Oct 21, 2016 21:19:49 GMT
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Had a Beetle, drove it daily and it never ever let me down. Was even more reliable than my Capri if I'm honest. When I got it it had been of the road for a couple of years, needed some welding, brakes suspension bits etc, serviced it, got it through an mot and a week later drove it straight down to Cornwall, all around and back to Bristol and didn't miss a beat. Was more than capable as a daily driver.
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2001 vauxhall corsa 1972 VW Beetle 1986 Ford Capri Laser1999 BMW E36 323i Touring 1991 Volvo 940 estate 2002 Mazda 323f 2.0 sport 2016 Mercedes Sprinter 1999 nissan almera 1.4 1995 lexus gs300 1995 lexus ls400 1975 bmw 1602 fiat punto 2003 ford fiesta something else...
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Dez
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Oct 21, 2016 21:29:15 GMT
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I've had all 3 at different times, and I'd choose the beetle every time. Minor second (either variant) and the 2cv last.
Beetle is the only one really capable of doing sustained motorway speeds, and is easiest to get parts for- every GSF in the country will stock basic service parts over the counter.
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choptop
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Oct 21, 2016 21:33:12 GMT
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have a look on the morris minor owners forum page ( not the morris minor owners club )to see some modded minors .
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2CV most fun (to me) by far. Had a few over the years and always loved it. second would be a beetle. I just like them. Morris? I really like these too but it is just not my car. But again I really like these things
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tofufi
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As the owner of both a Minor and Beetle, both would make a good daily. Both have been very reliable in my ownership. The Minor, to drive, feels lighter and a little less grippy. The 1098 engine seems a little underpowered when the car has 4 people in, especially on faster roads and hills. Then again my Beetle was a 1600 engine, and it's been a long time since I've driven it. Beetle probably more comfortable on longer runs, and has slightly better build quality, although by now it's equally as much down to how well previous owners have looked after any individual car. I've only been in a Dyane/2cv once, and it was awesome. Build quality and handling reminded me more of the Morris than the Beetle. Go for any one of them - whichever you like most on a test drive. They're all good fun and capable as daily drivers. If you're going to get a Beetle, take a look at 1302/1303 models too. They're objectively uglier than the earlier ones, but have better front suspension and are more practical. I voted Beetle, partly as it was my first car, and partly as it's a slightly more grown up, solid feeling car than the other two. But they're all good
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2016 7:31:49 GMT by tofufi
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I've owned a 67 Beetle and a 69 Moggie at different points, and the Moggie is by far the better all-rounder. 4 doors available if you need them, bulletproof A series lump, decent on fuel, no heater channels to rot out and slowly choke you (unlike the Beetle) and mega cheap parts. Also, you're going to buy a sound Moggie for £2.5k, but a pretty grotty bug for that money. I think a few people may have missed the detail of what your budget is... Lowlights are particularly lovely, although not in your budget. You'd definitely be able to pick up a half decen sixties Minor within budget though. The only thing Beetles are better at is sounding good, and looking aesthetically perfect. For those reasons alone, I'd have one of each if funds and storage allowed
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Oct 22, 2016 10:01:03 GMT
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Obviously, I went for the Minor. You should be able to pick up a usable late saloon for that money. A traveller at that price will either be a resto project or a money-pit. I'd also be wary of Beetles at that price. If you're used to modern cars, the Minor won't be much of a culture-shock. The 1098 models (late '62- onwards) keep up with the traffic around town, but you may find them wanting on the open road in stock form. There are loads of upgrade options, but keeping it simple with a 1275 swap along with a 3.7:1 diff makes for a very usable car. If you want to go down the Minor route, pm me and I'll give you a list of what to look for.
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dikkehemaworst
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We use a beetle convertible in summer. A '71 1600cc model. Copes with traffic and has more space inside than our focus c Max. Never lets us down. Great scene who do not give a wibblepoo if you modify it and My Girls love it. Als had a Moggy. Feels older.Thats a Nice second. And a 2cv is only for classic motoring. Fun but impractical. I'm pro beetle
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I used a beetle as a daily driver for 3 years. Everything was fine apart from the lousy heaters in them. They blow air over the manifolds into the car and unless all the heater lagging, pipes & heater channels are 100% & both levers by the handbrake are working, then expect no comfort.
It's normal to have frost on the inside of the windows and frost on the steering wheel.
Almost gassed myself once after somehow exhaust fumes were getting inside the car.
It's an extremely poor design - Manifolds with water in them do exist but it will need the piping into the car & a fan. Not impossible.
Don't ever rely on the original heating and budget for the water type replacement.
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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As a daily driver the Moggy is a better bet subject to some of the advice previously. Apart from anything else it has a proper heater which is kind of important in the UK! All of them have good parts back up including modification. They can all suffer corrosion so get your choice with good structure over great mechanics.
My in laws had a Moggy traveler, not pristine but never let them down. Whatever you buy will provide a real education in keeping an old car working......
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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i had a look at buying a beetle recently with a similer budget to yours, and soon realised my only choice was either a shed or a money pit. I looked breifly at morris minor saloons and came to conclusion that if i was going to do it, id get a much better morris than i would a beetle, and thinking forward, because of the moggys more conventional design, if an engine swap had to happen it would probably be cheaper than doing a swap in a beetle, and id have more choice of engines. So moggy all day long, unless you crave for the vw scene. The traveller is cool, but someone i work with has one and wen you see the wood go bad, you realise youd probably be better off without. Ive never driven a 2cv, but id love to have a go in one, probably the most fun looking.
I voted moggy, in 2dr saloon flavour, and as that black lowlight shows, they can be far cooler than a beetle.
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Oct 23, 2016 14:20:36 GMT
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This is on Gumtree for £1900, isn't running that well but the body looks good.
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2001 vauxhall corsa 1972 VW Beetle 1986 Ford Capri Laser1999 BMW E36 323i Touring 1991 Volvo 940 estate 2002 Mazda 323f 2.0 sport 2016 Mercedes Sprinter 1999 nissan almera 1.4 1995 lexus gs300 1995 lexus ls400 1975 bmw 1602 fiat punto 2003 ford fiesta something else...
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Oct 23, 2016 14:28:39 GMT
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Yes, 2CVs are flimsy. Fun, nimble but made from tin-foil.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:03:09 GMT
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I ran this as a semi daily for 4 years. When I say semi daily, I used to run it through the Spring/Summer/Autumn and then buy a cheap car to get me through the winter, which was then sold or scrapped when the weather improved. I loved the simplicity of the thing as it could be fixed with a 13mm spanner and a hammer for the most part and as has already been mentioned, spares from the likes of GSF were easy to come by. My wife had a 2CV as a daily when I met her in 1998 and had several up until about 12 years ago, and now seeing what they fetch today, I wish we'd kept them !
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Oct 24, 2016 13:51:12 GMT
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2CV all the way
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Oct 24, 2016 13:54:39 GMT
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I have very fond memories of the Morris Traveller my dad had when I was a kid. Mt uncle was an AA man and most of my dad's cars came from him, usually for pennies after some catastrophic failure on the M62. In the case of the Traveller it was £20 for the car and a fiver for a new diff to replace the seized one. Unfortunately, as others have said, you budget means you'll end up with one needing as much again spending on it. Again, as others have said, your budget will result in a roughish Beetle. 2CVs always strike me as being great for the whole driving baskets of eggs across ploughed fields malarkey but less brilliant as a daily driver. This bias is partly brought about because, at the NEC motorshow in 88(?), I sat in one, opened the flappy window to shout my dad, and the ****ing thing slammed shut again on my hand.
Minor saloon it is then.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:48:53 GMT
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I'd get the best condition one of any that came up. They can all be loads of fun and charm the socks off you.
However a ropey one will drain your wallet faster than a misfiring Maserati and put you off classic cars for life. I've had quite a few Beetles and a good one was superb, a rough one was depressing. At the same time my brother had a Morris Minor and it was quite nice, but it was a cared for example.
You can't really say that a Beetle without a working heater will be terrible because any car without a working heater / windscreen wiper / headlights will be terrible. The tough bit when I owned them was finding good quality heat exchangers, the GSF rubbish hardly exchanged any heat and rusted out quickly but it would be the same for a Minor with ropey heater core.
How about something else which would be better value? You can probably get a better condition Austin A40 for your money and they're a laugh to drive.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:17:35 GMT
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How about something else which would be better value? You can probably get a better condition Austin A40 for your money and they're a laugh to drive. The advantage the Beetle & Morris (and possibly 2CV) have over less popular classics is parts availability which, if the OP is planning on using the car as a daily, makes quite a difference. Ordering parts off a shelf and fitting them the next day beets having your car off the road for days/weeks whilst you trawl ebay and the forums for secondhand parts of unknown provenance and condition. As far as I've seen Morris saloons seem to be considerably cheaper than VWs of the same condition.
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