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Apr 14, 2018 14:44:17 GMT
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If you were to fix the existing sump pan, weld in a proper threaded fitting. on the other hand, I would check the threads on the "new" one, flatten that dent in the lip at the bottom and unless something is really wrong with it...you should be fine.
If it were me, and the threads were questionable on the new one....I would weld a threaded fitting to the that one so the car is not tied up, then, when you change your oil, just replace the sump pan.....you could even go with a drain valve (spring loaded)......
They do make thread repair kits that you can find on the internet or at the parts store....but I question the success rate
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Apr 14, 2018 14:48:42 GMT
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Hey JP... Yeah the problem with this sump pan is that its had the problem corrected so many times now I'm in danger of ending up with a sump plug the size of a dinner plate. If I feel this second one can be cleaned up and prepped to replace, I'll whack it on and then I can look at properly fixing the original as well.
I'm now vexed by servo issues though and as the sump plug does only drip slightly it is now relegated below servo hassle.
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Apr 14, 2018 17:48:11 GMT
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Have you actually spoken to AJL about the servo issue? If less than 12 months old, then I think it’s called “warranty”..
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Apr 14, 2018 18:25:30 GMT
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No. I haven't spoken to him. Warranty... Hahaha. You honestly think that conversation would lead anywhere useful? I'll save myself the effort and just get it replaced.
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pull it out , smear with tiger seal ...replace .let set ?
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Yeah, I've actually been thinking I might actually be able to just seal it all up short term from the outside with my trusty friend Sugru. The car has stabilised already and I've already braced the heavy pipe with a handful of zipties to stop it dragging the connector off at an angle.
Comparing the old, blown servo to the new(er) one... the newer valve/attachment looks to be a much less perfect fit anyway. The old one butts up to the main body of the servo perfectly, making it look like it was specifically for the servo. This one looks to me like it's possibly a random valve fitted to a servo body in a more ad-hoc "We can make a servo work for this car" kind of way. Parts bin stylee.
It looks like it's probably a case of the internal part of the valve coming away from the external part. It also looks like it has some very cheap and generic rubber washers each side, as opposed to a bespoke double-donut seal as per the old one.
I've never really looked at it very closely since it went on aside from the fact it came out of the box with impact cracks on the white nipple cap over the air valve. Having really looked at it today though I'd say it's really not a particularly good quality item at all. It does look a bit thrown together.
Short term, I have little/nothing to lose by trying to seal it up externally.
I'd like to do away with a servo entirely. I really hate stuff on old cars that conjoins two different systems in a mutual arrangement to make the car work.
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Last Edit: Apr 15, 2018 0:57:36 GMT by Deleted
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Anyway, I've had a PM of complaint. It's been misconstrued that I had apparently 'named & shamed' an individual in regard to the servo.
In fact I deliberately didn't name him (regrettably he has since been named however) and as far as I can see I went to the trouble of making it perfectly clear that the part in question came from QRG, an established business, not the individual. I went to certain lengths to abstract the reference to the individual, clarify the name of the part supplier, and to state clearly "I don't blame him" whilst also acknowledging I took the decision at the time to fit a part that came to me with signs of damage.
So if anyone else out there is confused, I'm happy to clarify it in a very very long email because I've got no time at all for petty squabbles.
And just for the record... my personal thread is optional reading. Nobody has to look at this curse word I type. RR moderators will let me know if I overstep any lines of decency, relevance or ethics.
Time for bed. Big day tomorrow. Brighton Marathon. I'll be up at the crack of 10am and straight into my sports gear / deckchair to watch it all go right past my front yard all day long. It's an exhausting but highly rewarding experience.
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Don't forget the obvious cooler full of icy cold beer.  I find it spurs the competitors on to great things, like gasping insults! |
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Naturally. And what good is a beer without a bowl of tortilla chips and a foot long hotdog?
I like to show my support.
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Apr 15, 2018 11:27:37 GMT
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Photographs can be incredibly misleading. After I took a photograph of my wobbly valve connector on my servo yesterday, I then noticed this as I looked at the pic I posted here in this thread. Quite clearly, unambiguously and very obviously the servo also has a crack in the metal barrel casing which has been filled quite badly. Not done by me... and I had never noticed it before...  How could I have missed that? It's so apparent. So obviously a massive crack slathered in black sealant. So I was also a bit annoyed about that and went off this morning to have a look at that too. Except when I got there....  = ) |
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Apr 15, 2018 12:03:48 GMT
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I must admit, when I first saw the photo in the initial post I thought it looked like it has a ground back wedled repair by there. As you hadn't mentioned it I'd assumed it was a smudge of something.
oh, might be a bit racey but how about "Fast-Glass"?
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Apr 15, 2018 12:21:10 GMT
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Hahaha, no... Sounds like a glass fitting company.
I don't think I'll bother putting lettering on. I really want to, but then I have to live with it.
The grease that created that optical illusion wasn't even a thick chunk... It was literally a thin film disturbed by my thumb. Amazing optical illusion really.
I think that ultimately the problem with my servo is really that it's not a very sturdy item like the old one was, and in hindsight I probably should have secured the hose to prevent it from rattling and yanking constantly at the valve. It would better if it was a more robust item, but ultimately I think it has begun to fail because it wasn't strong enough to resist any movement of the hose.
People often want to jump on to vendors trying to get things replaced, as though its somebody else's fault and they are entitled to a replacement.
I much prefer to take my time and think it through and decide for sure if it indeed a fault or perhaps something that has failed as a result of misuse. In this case I have to conclude that it's a bit of one and some of the other. Not a great valve, but equally subjected to play that arguably could have been prevented if the hose had been firmly strapped to stop it moving.
I'm not going to try and make that somebody else's problem.
I've bodged it for now and will either try and repair it... Possibly putting the old sturdy valve/attachment into the new servo if that looks possible, or I'll have to spring for another new servo and I will inspect it thoroughly before fitting it next time.
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Apr 15, 2018 20:07:35 GMT
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So since I've read through all of your shenanigans here now, and enjoyed them, might I suggest a potential unit for the rear end? Do a search for Lucas L539, they're a really smart round light with a nice chrome bezel. You can get them second hand, if your patient, but they're not megabucks brand new and should go in your existing holes. They were good enough for Lotus, so they'll be good enough for you.
Also, Scimchimeny is a great name if you're a Dick Van Dyke fan (and who isn't, honestly?).
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Apr 15, 2018 20:48:24 GMT
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Lucas L539 are really nice looking. Now I've Googled it I recall it was one of the options I considered at first. However, I couldn't price them below £25 or so from recollection (granted that was for new and I take your point re: second hand), and given I needed six, well that's almost more than the car cost. I mocked those lights up as cheaply as I could purely to test how feasible it would be. Those rears cost me about £6.50 each I think. I honestly expected they would only last a few months and then I'd be forced to do them properly. As things stand, I wired them all up nicely and securely with a sequential earth that means they all work (after some experimenting with earthing options), then they were well bolted in and sealed up, and frankly they've lasted and haven't given me any trouble, rusted, or filled with water. I've grown used to them now, and long since forgotten about doing them again. They're just there. It's simply the way my car's a-r-s-e looks now. I know they aren't for everyone but I really like how simple and spartan they are, so I'm not sure I'll ever be revisiting them again. It is, though, a good shout regarding looking out for them second hand / ebay / autojumble and maybe I should start to keep my eyes out for collecting a set cheaply over a period of time. I can't believe you actually just read this entire thread hahaha. |
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Apr 15, 2018 23:33:24 GMT
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I've seen those Lucas ones in tatty but usable condition for as little as £5. The tricky part to get is the backing plate. Autojumbles are likely a better bet, there's the sort of thing to be jumbled into a box of stuff. If you really fancy a challenge, I'll have the BMW units on the back of the Princess available once I've got around to fitting the Galaxie lights.
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I was looking through your Princess thread yesterday. Do you mean these bad boys?  I'm interested to know why you're taking them off after they've been frenched in. Is it just a case of wanting a change? I like the way they look. By Galaxie lights do you mean something like this?  Which would also look awesome, but I reckon I'd be happy with the BMW ones if it was me. I also love the front of your Princess and was wondering if you're keeping it like that. Looks awesome without the bumpers and that really unusual and awesome looking scoop-front part below the grill. Is that standard metalwork for the Princess? I don't think I've ever seen one de-bumpered before. I love it. But anyway... if you get them out and you don't want them and therefore are looking to sell them. Let me know. I might decide they'd be a good punt for the Scim. I didn't dare venture into multi-lights in one piece as my tiny brain would need to figure out all the rewiring (I get easily confused by wiring, amongst almost everything else), but they would be a good retro look on a 5 Scim I reckon. |
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Apr 16, 2018 11:54:06 GMT
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I do mean those bad boys. Don't get me wrong, the BMW lights are great, but I wanted proper rocket boosters from the off, just couldn't find them in budget until recently. I've now got a pair of the Galaxie ones on the far right of your examples for both sides. Amazingly, the outer buckets are the right size, so I just need to match the inner buckets to them to fit the Galaxie lights. Plan is running/brake in the large portion, indicator in the small light on the outer units, fog and reverse in the small light on the inner units. They already have a large ring reflector built in to the red lens so they end up being a really smart self contained unit. Will require a little modification to the wiring since they're not as plug and play as the BMW ones. Best thing about the BMW lights is they use the same size connector as the Princess originals so it was mostly a case of plugging the relevant connectors together. They contain running, brake, reverse, indicator and reflector so the only extra you need to add (or don't, given the age of the Scim) are foglights. The only extra wiring needed was for the smaller inner 'bullseye' modern units since originally the car didn't have 4 running lights, 4 indicators and 5 (including high level) brake lights. Front end is mostly factory, I just replaced the rot with the smooth chin and the original indicator-sidelight pods with MGB units which I frenched into the middle bar. This was easier than trying to replicate or repair the lumps and bumps that were there originally. Glad you like it  It's a lot of fun... except when it's having one of those days, which happily seem to be fewer and further between the more I use it. |
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Apr 16, 2018 12:12:52 GMT
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I've checked out your Princess a few times in the past. I've loved them since I was a kid - probably since they first appeared and my next door neighbour had one. the wedge shape of it just felt like such a bold leap into the future with that sharp angle across the back. I've always thought of them as being a) highly futuristic and b) alluding somewhat to muscle cars in a very abstract way (the bulk at the back, like it's primed to spring forwards off powerful haunches.
It would have been a cool car for Back To The Future, in the same way that the Rover P6 makes a cool car of the future in the Gattacca movie despite that film being made many decades after the P6 had gone out of production
Both impressions of the Princess (future and power) were fixed in early childhood just from looking at one out of my bedroom window. Both seem quite funny to me in hindsight because as far as I know they were neither very innovative in terms of technology, nor intended (or engineered) to be seen as powerful beasts.
To me they're like a car designer's concept sketch that actually survived the development process for a change.
Anyway, enough wibbling. Do let me know if you find the BMW clusters become surplus as I might be interested in buying them!
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I will let you know when those Beemer units are available. As for the Princess' looks, it's surprising that they did break through so full formed, if you look at the concept work of the Diablo project it's not massively far removed. There's a few more images of concept studies here too: www.leylandprincess.co.uk/concepts.htm which are achingly 70s with a dash of Americana to them. If only the Austin Zanda had made it into the world fully fledged too as a mid-size coupé to fill the gap between Princess and TR7. I think that disconnect between the looks and what the car was is an issue. They don't look like a comfortable luxobarge, which is how they were put out to the public. They did look more like they should be a performance car because of the styling. But they weren't without innovation, the compact suspension, front wheel drive, mostly alloy engine, gearbox-in-sump and seatbelt warning light were much more forward thinking than what their competitors were offering. Fords of the era were mostly still on cart springs and the same drivetrain layout as had been used since pretty much the dawn of motoring. Ah well. I'm just glad they exist in any form and had they made the proper performance saloon they could have I'd never be able to afford one. |
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It's a lot of fun... except when it's having one of those days, which happily seem to be fewer and further between the more I use it.