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Aug 12, 2016 19:16:16 GMT
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Been thinking about this for a while.
It all started off by trying to drill a hole,not a difficult task,something i have done so many times,and never gave a second thought to.
Are drill bits these days made of cheese? It lasted about 3 minutes before it stopped drilled,and turned into a heat and smoke making device.
It was only 3mm steel bar. Not the armour plate off the HMS Belfast!
Anyway,eventually made a hole,almost circular as well ... Bonus ......(ahem) .....
So did what i needed to do,and celebrated by cracking open a new tin of Hammerite......
When i was younger ( yes i was once) Hamnerite was good stuff,even now i have stuff painted with it from yrs ago,and its still good.
But this new stuff? It doesn't seem to cover as well as it used to,and it seems a lot less durable these days ....
So that got me thinking ..
We all know about nitromors, and yes with cheap tools you get what you pay for.( not saying everything expensive is the best)
But has anyone else noticed,or is it just me?
I suppose the big Diy players like B&Q etc don't help,flooding the market with masses of cheaper stuff?
Finding one of those old school ironmongers thses days is a rarity.
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Wilk
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Aug 12, 2016 20:40:30 GMT
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I've noticed it with machinery. Things like pillar drills and lathes. They're cheap for good reason, no accuracy and motors that last a week after the guarantee runs out
Better off finding some old Harrison or Fobco for a few quid more. They'll outlast my lifetime
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Aug 12, 2016 22:29:04 GMT
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Hi, I think it's out own fault because we the customer are always looking for the best ie. cheapest price, we bow to peer pressure and don't want to look a mug by paying more than we should. The manufacturers and retailers respond to this by supplying it for less and quality inevitably drops. we can't even kick against it by paying more for a perceived better product because usually it's the same thing rebranded and with a premium price.
We're all doomed to keep going round in this circle. Rant over.
Colin
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agree with hammerite and most off the shelf paints , what about white gloss for your house doors , goes yellow in 6 months becuase they took the good stuff out lol
also rubber doesnt seem like it used to be , ive had no end of ball joint covers , gaskets and hoses crack and perish before they ought to
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luckyseven
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Aug 13, 2016 16:05:25 GMT
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When I got my first car, my father-in-law got me a footpump cos he insisted you ought to be able to do the simplest of home maintenance. It lasted about twenty five years. Since it finally died I've had about eight of them. They last about five months on average.
But then, I guess all those old boys who bought one in 1920 that lasted sixty years probably would've moaned about the one I had that only lasted a "mere" quarter-century...
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Aug 13, 2016 16:20:08 GMT
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I have bought bits from a large trade engineering supplies before [ not any public one] and they would hardly drill a hole at all in a mill , thats experimenting with speeds , using lubricant etc . Utter wibblepoo .
We ended up paying more for fancy ones with a yellow coating , i forget what , but the point is the wibblepoo drills were meant to do the job and didn't !
The same with other bits and pieces , a braketube /pipebender , made out of cast christmas cracker spanner material . Snapped in half after little use . Same with a small pipecutter . Hell , even the bolts we get are curse word to a certain extent . About 4 out of a hundred have no thread on !
Best to buy old secondhand if you can .
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Aug 13, 2016 16:21:03 GMT
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All i can advise is splashing out on a set of Dormer drill bits .
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shin2chin
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Aug 13, 2016 19:15:31 GMT
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All paint/stripper/cleaner stuff has had the good stuff taken out by legislation. Think red oxide, hammerite, nitromors, redex etc unfortunately the harmful ingredient was the best bit.
Tools wise there's just a lot more choice at the lower end of the market with poor Chinese chod. I always tend to stick with brands like Bosch for drill bits and blades.
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1974 VW Beetle 1600
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Aug 13, 2016 21:04:39 GMT
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All i can advise is splashing out on a set of Dormer drill bits . this, at work i will use curse word drill bits and just whack the power feed on and let it force its way through but on the lathe dormer are the way forward,presto are rubbish though, ive used a cordless drill to drill from a 5mm pilot hole to 13mm through probably 12mm plate and it did it with no real hassle |
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We used standard jobs from MSC industrial www.mscdirect.co.uk/CGI/INSRCH?Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Keyword+Search&Ns=list_price&N=0&Ntt=4.2+drillUtter curse word .I'm no machinest but they seemed to have less turns [ flutes] on them by length , being much more like a open long turn. Utter curse word and would stick in alu straight out of the box . They are marginally better after being sharpened on the drill docter we have which is a godsend and well worth the money . It doesnt help having a penny pinching boss who think saving 50p is economical .Not when you use 2 drill bits for one jobs , wasting time and then more time sharpening them ! Really is a case of buy cheap buy twice !! On the other hand i have used the tin coated ones there for drilling 4.2 x 8 holes in stainless and they do about 200 holes before they loose there edge . |
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Aug 14, 2016 17:08:35 GMT
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Also noticed some 'new' drills are reluctant to be re-sharpened .....
And don't get me started on hacksaw blades ............
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Aug 14, 2016 17:34:37 GMT
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Ive never had a problem with Eclipse ones , not that i really ever use it , only to chop the occasional bolt down .
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vanpeebles
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Aug 14, 2016 18:29:20 GMT
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Chinese rubbish is rubbish thread  |
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Aug 14, 2016 18:39:02 GMT
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Not even that, I'm talking about stuff sold by leading engineering suppliers . Might be Chinese might be from anywhere . Its the act your paying a good price from a reputable supplier and they do not even do the job they are meant to - even once !
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voodoo57
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Aug 14, 2016 21:14:52 GMT
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you are right about rubber not being what it used to be .... i use condoms, and my girlfriend has had 3 kids in 4 years! (all named Carl???) even my best friend Karl who seems to be round my place more often than not said the same?................................
......................... hang on a darn minute! .................................
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Wilk
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Aug 14, 2016 21:46:40 GMT
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Last week we started work on rose jointing the 4 link set up on my lads Landy. I purchased 2 rose joints with M22 X 1.5 threads and a taper tap to create threads in a plug we had to make in the ends of the arms
The first hole was a bit of a struggle to turn in.
The second attempt with the taper tap required a length of pipe on the handle of the tap wrench and the 2 of us turning it back and forth. We then decided to run a Goliath plug tap through to see if it was any easier. I thought he was taking the pi55 when he said it was cutting the whole way through and he was only turning it with minimal pressure
Certainly won't be buying any generic unbranded taps in future, total waste of cash
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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bortaf
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Aug 16, 2016 14:25:19 GMT
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Last month i resealed my 58 year old bradbury jack, 2nd time it's been done in it's life, it still works better than any of my seally/machine mart ones that are all under 10 year old ! Made to last and it has ! propper strong body   whacking great valve block  finished artical  back to it's origional colour, (i think) i added the wheel nut tray with 2 magnets from microwave magnetron under it to keep them in place, i was concidering chrome painting the wheels but stopped short LoL |
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luckyseven
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Aug 16, 2016 15:43:08 GMT
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I blame this thread. Having decided my rant about the shocking state of modern footpumps was perhaps a bit negative, I resolved to be the master of my own footpump destiny rather than a victim of circumstance. So it just so happened that on one of the autojumble stands at Cranleigh Classic Car Show this Sunday was this awesome brass Kismet pump... see what I did there? Kismet? Destiny?... Jeez, tough crowd   So, I've now got a footpump that, based on how heavy the sodding thing was to drag all over Creation all Sunday, ought to be of the sort of quality that will outlast the Thousand Year Reich. Even the kittens approve...  |
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Aug 16, 2016 17:39:12 GMT
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^^
Don't inflate kittens to over 14psi, their foofy valves blow and they jump out their skins...
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luckyseven
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Aug 16, 2016 17:58:24 GMT
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So you're saying kittens only run at atmospheric pressure? But what causes all the ectoplasm that pours out of them?  |
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