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Jul 25, 2016 12:57:40 GMT
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Hi everyone.
I'm new to classic cars and stuff so I just wanted to be able to ask all the simple questions - please don't hate me!
Aside from the expensive aerosol cans, how is Waxoyl applied? I saw in Halfords a spraying kit for £30 (seems a bit steep for something that many complained about not working, and which is just plastic) but I'm assuming an air compressor or something is better? I'm looking to protect the metal inside my boot at least for now, but pretty soon I'll find lots of different areas to cover. I don't think getting a brush and just brushing it on is an efficient or practical way of doing it, or is it?
I've got more questions but I don't know what to do? I don't think it'd be wise to spam a load of questions into this subforum. Do you think it'd be okay to just list them?
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sal
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Jul 25, 2016 15:47:10 GMT
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I use my compressor and gun to apply it if I'm doing the full underside of a car. If I'm doing small areas or inside a door etc I use a paintbrush. You can actually use a good quality garden sprayer - the type you pump up to pressurise - to ok effect if you thin the waxoyl with white spirit.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:59:14 GMT
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Oh so a paintbrush is okay then. What about applying some to a cloth and rubbing the metal with it? Might that work too? Again, sorry for being so new, but since my budget isn't huge, I can only really afford a low end air compressor. Would an electric one like this work? : www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B019GZHBDI I'm assuming that'd power a air-powered impact wrench if it was okay for Waxoyl?
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Jul 25, 2016 16:57:11 GMT
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I'm looking to protect the metal inside my boot Do you mean in the luggage compartment? If so only under bits covered by carpet, otherwise your shopping will get covered in sticky goo... In the past I have heated the can up in boiling water and used a spraygun (as a young apprentice on the gaffer's Land Rover), but it's pretty easy to splodge it on with a paintbrush if you don't have a compressor.
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Jul 25, 2016 17:39:28 GMT
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I'm looking to protect the metal inside my boot Do you mean in the luggage compartment? If so only under bits covered by carpet, otherwise your shopping will get covered in sticky goo... In the past I have heated the can up in boiling water and used a spraygun (as a young apprentice on the gaffer's Land Rover), but it's pretty easy to splodge it on with a paintbrush if you don't have a compressor. Ahh okay. What sort of spray gun did you use, sorry? Any cheap-ish recommendations out there ?
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Jul 25, 2016 18:50:41 GMT
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Umm, don't. Apply waxoyl I mean. Do a little bit of research first into the products available as an alternative. Visit the Bilt Hamber website, or look at Dinitrol stuff. You get what you pay for, and because it is a horrid, messy job, do it properly, and less often. You get what you pay for with this stuff.
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Jul 25, 2016 18:51:04 GMT
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Err, I'm not really sure, just a regular spray gun (I'm not a sprayer or anything), probably a cheap one as it would end up a right mess...
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Jul 25, 2016 19:21:18 GMT
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Umm, don't. Apply waxoyl I mean. Do a little bit of research first into the products available as an alternative. Visit the Bilt Hamber website, or look at Dinitrol stuff. You get what you pay for, and because it is a horrid, messy job, do it properly, and less often. You get what you pay for with this stuff. What really? Is Waxoyl really that bad? I'm surprised because that's what people are telling me to do. Looks like OP and I at least will be learning something!
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Seth
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Jul 25, 2016 21:33:47 GMT
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To apply waxoil the best method is to half fill a bath with the warmed mixture. Then jump in, wallow about a bit and make sure to rub it into your fingernails and particularly your hair. Once you've had enough jump out the bath and don't bother trying to mask the smell for at least 4 days.
By using this method you'll save all the time spent trying to get any on the car while ending up with exactly the same result.
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MonzaPhil
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Jul 25, 2016 22:09:33 GMT
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Brushed on a mix of black and clear waxoyl . Got a nice finish and 99% wasn't on me at all. Wouldn't like to do it in my back under a car at all.
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Jul 26, 2016 21:24:38 GMT
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Right thanks for the replies. I'll look into the alternatives for Waxoyl. Not to be too pressy but I don't understand how to use a "standard" air compressor to run a spray gun?
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Jul 27, 2016 11:00:38 GMT
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I warm the waxoil in a bucket of hot water, then apply it with a garden fence/weedkiller sprayer, the type with the hand pump on top, goes on easy and you can change the nozzle (twisting it) from jet to fan spray to do floors and inside chassis ect, if you heat it it solidfys quicker on contact with the vehical and there's less run off and drips, if you thin it with diesel it drips for ages and makes a right old mess of the floor under the car for days. Ive done litteraly hundred of cars this way, never get in a mess (long nozzle on the sprayer so i stay well away from any drips) mainly cos i don't thin the waxoil i heat it, allways flush the sprayer with diesel or similar or the knozzle will block when the waxoil hardens over time ! There are better products out there but it does work fine if you apply it well (thin and runny) and make sure the vehical is clean and dry, i jet wash then dry with a heater and a hair dryer, i usually wash it then sit it in the garage on stands with the heater blowing under it for a few hours then use the hair dryer to pre warm the chassis rails to get the waxoil to flow into the nooks and crannys before it cools and thickens
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Jul 27, 2016 11:14:15 GMT
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Some good ideas! I'll ask around if anyone has these sort of sprayers. Thanks anyway!
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Jul 27, 2016 11:45:38 GMT
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Umm, don't. Apply waxoyl I mean. Do a little bit of research first into the products available as an alternative. Visit the Bilt Hamber website, or look at Dinitrol stuff. You get what you pay for, and because it is a horrid, messy job, do it properly, and less often. You get what you pay for with this stuff. What really? Is Waxoyl really that bad? I'm surprised because that's what people are telling me to do. Looks like OP and I at least will be learning something! I'm sure the stuff itself is ok chemically. My gripe with it is that I have seen it shrink and crack only months later, leaving small unprotected fault lines. You then end up having to apply more on top. So I figure, best to use something that is more flexible. I also think some people talk about waxoyl as the general product type, like people talk about a Hoover even when it is not the brand. All of the Bilt Hamber stuff comes in aerosol with a lance extension, so you don't need to worry about other equipment.
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Jul 27, 2016 11:58:57 GMT
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What really? Is Waxoyl really that bad? I'm surprised because that's what people are telling me to do. Looks like OP and I at least will be learning something! I'm sure the stuff itself is ok chemically. My gripe with it is that I have seen it shrink and crack only months later, leaving small unprotected fault lines. You then end up having to apply more on top. So I figure, best to use something that is more flexible. I also think some people talk about waxoyl as the general product type, like people talk about a Hoover even when it is not the brand. All of the Bilt Hamber stuff comes in aerosol with a lance extension, so you don't need to worry about other equipment. Just to save hassel, I might just for now go down the Aerosol route and look to upgrade later. Thanks! I take it stuff like Bilt Hamber and Dinitol don't undergo the same issues you spoke about?
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Jul 27, 2016 16:08:14 GMT
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I mix it 50/50 with clean 20W/50 engine oil (the cheapest I can get), then stand it in hot water for a good 30 minutes to make sure it is thoroughly warm - then spray using a hand pump.
Adding the oil makes it penetrate better and prevents the cracking mentioned above. Done that way I reckon it's better than some of the expensive branded items. Applied on its own then it isn't nearly as good.
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Jul 27, 2016 16:37:29 GMT
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Try using dinitrol 4941. It's far ahead of waxoyl.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:26:44 GMT
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Here's my kit, been using if for around 10 years, cant say i've ever had the shrinking issue myself but then i do slather it on/in ?
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Jul 27, 2016 21:29:14 GMT
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Whatever fluid I use, the spraying and preparation sounds to be the same / similar. Thanks for the replies guys! I can't wait to start protecting my car.
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