Sign my Pettion to get rid of the Road Tax

Abloish? I don't know what an abloish is but I want no part of it!

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Now is probably a good time to do it. It is very quiet in the Houses of Parliament and changes to the taxing of cars are probably top of their agenda.

Can we also have a citation for this 'fact', or has it come from a bloke you spoke to in a pub once?

Duty is referred to as a value, not a Percent, hence I only added the percent increase onto the tax shown as a percent, which is VAT but even if you include that, it'll only equal 5p/litre, still a long way from the 40p/litre required.

It doens't make the arguement for scrapping VED any more valid or intelligent.

As Hotwire said this is indeed probably a good time to raise ideas re vehicle taxation as the Chancellor has plans to review VED from 2017:

This quote isn't from a bloke down the pub: VED only fully goes to roads from 2020 onwards (budget 2015): below extracted from Auto Express 9 July 2015:

George Osborne revealed the creation of the road fund in his July 8 Budget in one of the biggest reforms to motoring in recent years.

Osborne said: "We will create a new roads fund from the end of this decade and every single penny raised in vehicle excise duty will go into that fund to pay for roads. The tax paid on people's cars will be used on the roads they drive on. It's a fairer tax system for motorists."

Vehicle excise duty will also be overhauled from 2017 because figures show that under the current scheme three quarters of all new cars would be exempt.

No extra revenue will be raised by the new system but Osborne believes it'll be "more secure" and fairer, too.

Osborne said it's not right that those who can afford new cars pay no tax while those who can only afford as used vehicle have to shell out for tax when both are using the roads.

Note the OP wasn't requesting an abolishment of all the tax on fuel, he was simply trying to put on an addition to get rid of the burden of VED on classic drivers (and indeed it would help low mileage drivers too).

So instead of carping let's see some positive ideas re reducing the cost of operating our classics. Remember an awful lot of us were robbed when the "Free Road Tax at 25 years" deal was chopped then reintroduced at 40 years. You can get £5K or thereabouts knocked of the price of a new electric car if you're sufficiently well off to buy one so let's fight our corner on this.

Since we're in "bloke from down the pub" territory VIP kindly show us the source of the 40p per litre and how is it broken down to give that figure?

For instance(and I'm making this simplistic so before they bother, the carpers can kindly stay out of nit-picking games) let's take an everyday use car that does 10,000 miles per annum at 30 mpg and which pays £250 VED. That means every mile would need to raise 2.5p/mile to cover its VED. At 30mpg that is 70p per gallon or some 15.6p/litre. Bear in mind that (excluding most of our classics) most cars these days can easily better the 30 mpg figure and a large number will be paying the lower rate of VED anyway.

As for the usual line of "Are you prepared for increased costs?", firstly it wouldn't be very difficult for the government to exclude commercial vehicles from paying the extra duty, secondly most of them are diesel so maybe the government could apply it to petrol vehicles only, or maybe given the concerns about diesel emissions they might even see it as a tax to help drive people away from diesel. Who knows, but one thing is certain if we don't float our ideas re these things the powers that be ain't going to do it for us and come knocking on our doors bringing gifts.

Remember if VED is included with fuel tax then, unless you steal your fuel, nobody can dodge it. No need for all the police time devoted to checking (via computer and ANPR ) for road tax dodgers, no court time and costs, no admin for the government via DVLA (so they save a packet there) and we get the flexibility to use the appropriate vehicle as needed (assuming you own more than one) and pay as and when we use them.

Of course the high mileage doers will moan, but in most cases their increased costs would be a deductible expense via company tax anyway, and in reality given the huge amount of electronic communication available to us all just how many people really need to be racking up astronomically high mileages per annum anyway? Also doesn't racking up huge mileages in that way rather defeat any green credentials?

So give the OP a pat on the back. You think there might be flaws in his idea, fine, let's hear it constructively.

Yeah, I'm fairly open minded but that one sounds like it would make your eyes water

It's a bit flawed in that electric cars will pay nothing by this system, with the present system I know that they are paying nothing at the moment, but the government will have the ability to change their banding and get them to pay.

Well that's great, but that means another chunk of revenue lost for the Budget, so now the increase per litre needs to be even more to make up that shortfall.