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If you've spent 2 grand on paint repairs for car-park dings, then maybe you just need to back off on the maintenance a bit to ease your running costs? I personally see car-park dings as normal wear and tear on a daily driver, there's really no need to fix them.
If you wanted to, the Rover would be easily modern enough to cope with daily use. As Dez has proven, you can run a 1930s car daily if you want to!
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mgmrw
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If you've spent 2 grand on paint repairs for car-park dings, then maybe you just need to back off on the maintenance a bit to ease your running costs? I personally see car-park dings as normal wear and tear on a daily driver, there's really no need to fix them. If you wanted to, the Rover would be easily modern enough to cope with daily use. As Dez has proven, you can run a 1930s car daily if you want to! Cheers, the rate cars get damage around here is crazy. Some of the £2k tally has been: - coming back to it at work to find a 6" hole in the rear bumper, gash in the arch, scuffed wheel - front bumper with hole in, plate hanging off - 9" long crease down nsr door - ns mirror bent back, snapping folding mech - back bumper again - 3x bumper corners
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May 28, 2016 15:02:16 GMT
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Blimey, maybe you need to stop parking in those places!
That damage total is ridiculously unacceptable. If all of that happened to my car, I would be buying a 1970s LandCruiser and putting full brush bars all the way around it.
I'm also not doubting your numbers, but how do you achieve 6-10k miles per year without commuting to work, when you also have weekend/hobby cars? That seems amazing to me.
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mgmrw
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May 28, 2016 15:16:24 GMT
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Wife has frequent hospital appointment 35-50 miles away. Also holiday in Scotland once/twice a year doing 1,00-1,200 miles a year.
Additionally we do "stuff". Days out in cities, meals with parents/friends.
Scunthorpe is a dead end place, so if you want to do anything its 30-60 minutes in the car to Hull/Leeds/York/Sheffield.
Also go biking around 50 miles away.
As for the damage, it's a urine extraction at best. Last winter I bought an £80 KA and it was liberating. Never locked it, dumped it anywhere,didn't wash it once. Ran it until test expired and sold it for £120.
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ChasR
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May 29, 2016 22:12:29 GMT
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Cheers for the replies. With regards maintenance expenses and effort, I've found the opposite. Over 6 years of ownership the Saab has been an epic tool for getting around the country, I gave £7k for it, on a good day I'd get £2k now. However, over that time it's had; £500 a year on tyres, £200 a year on services, 2 alternator at £300 a time, clutch and DMF at £800 all in, circa £2500 of suspension components, circa £1k on brakes. Then around £1500 on ad-hoc faults and issues. Then around £2k on paintwork, repairing other peoples careless carpark damage. You're exactly the type of person I tend to buy cars from. Spend a fortune doing all the expensive stuff, conclude the car is now expensive to maintain, so sell up. I've bought many a car like this, run them for a year or two without any major expense, just general servicing and TLC, then sold for pretty much what I paid. That can backfire as well, very badly . In the case of my 944 it did work well. However, with a Mondeo V6 Estate Auto I sold we spent a fortune on that. OK, we went from 114k to 281k but it still took around £5-6k IIRC to get it there and I am not including tyres or brakes in that cost! The next owner who was known for being tight surprisingly put another £1.5k into it over 8 months before deciding the car was too much hassle! In comparison, the 3.0 V6 that followed it was more expensive to buy (around £1k more) but from 114k to 281k it took nowhere near as much to maintain or even come close to the amount of hassle. IIRC that took less than £1.5k and it was a car I could trust to get me to France and back ; it did actually before it was written off. Even if I did change the suspension to the way I wanted before it was crashed into it still would have stood me in around £2.2k tops. The worst has to be the Pissat B6 I bought. Despite it having new handbrake motors, pads etc. it cost £2.5k in three months and it make the first V6 Mondeo look like a super reliable car. Same with the Escort. A £13k rebuild but I like other owners could never stop fixing the damned thing as my thread outlines. OTOH it can sometimes work in your favour, but IMO rarer than what people think. My Porker 944 S2 low mileage example fitted into the above cases (I put around £2 to 3k into the car on top of the purchase price in a year and if I kept it I could have probably thrown the same at it again, madness when good S2s then were going for £4-5k), my Turbo was super. It had a rebuilt bottom end by the looks of it, brand new KW suspension work £1.4k in addition to M030 ARBs, the 965 Turbo brake upgrade, new subframe mounts, lower arms, fuel pipes etc. It really did not require much work at all and it served me very well. I probably only spent around £400 on it over the year if you take the respray out of the equation (that was partly my fault which I will leave for talking about at the pub...). The Dolly Sprint I bought was no different but again it does pay to buy with care.
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mgmrw
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Wait, what? You did 160,000+ miles in a 3.0 v6 auto Mondeo?
Surely the fuel bill was more than anything else by a mile.
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mgmrw
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Thought about this last night too, my dad had 2 cars which were polar opposites... 200tdi LR Discovery, bought at 4 years old, and kept 6 years. Ruinously expensive. Failed every MOT, 2 services a year, gearbox failed twice, ate suspension.
Following car was a 3 year old Ford Explorer. Kept 7-8 years, put over 100k on it. Needed nothing barring servicing. In the end he punted it on when the diff got noisy, but with some internet trawling and it off the road a couple if weeks,could've fixed that for buttons.
Subsequently got an 06 shogun sport. 3year old, 3k miles on it. Now on 80+ thousand. Abused hard, work horse and tow car. Never had anything else other than servicing.
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May 31, 2016 16:38:50 GMT
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My mrs has the 'practical daily' as i've managed with my kits and vans since 2007. If we go any real distance then we take hers.. Saying that I've commuted to work in a 105E, various transits and a couple of Duttons since 2002. Nothing beats coming out of work to get in a car that's going to put the grin back on your face.
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May 31, 2016 19:02:11 GMT
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Wait, what? You did 160,000+ miles in a 3.0 v6 auto Mondeo? Surely the fuel bill was more than anything else by a mile. If it's 'that' mondeo it has/ had lpg so expect better than 50mpg price equivalent running a big motor never made more sense.
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May 31, 2016 20:13:41 GMT
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Until recently I was doing my daily commute in my Uno or Punto, whatever the weather!!
And it was fine with the cars just needing routine servicing, the only thing that stopped me was that my change in job last year Involves a lot more miles. I'm clocking 500 miles a week just going to & from work!! I was starting to pile on the mileage on the cars, mainly motorway driving so bought a Renault Laguna II Diesel. Just for driving to work, 5 days a week but the odd day I'll use the Punto or Uno if I fancy it or when the Renault is out of action.
So far spent a small fortune on the Renault in maintenance admittedly, but with the mileage I'm doing I expected too.
And despite parking in a works car park, it's picked up bumper marks etc.. which although annoying I'd be more upset if my Uno got damaged. But there again I didn't buy a Laguna in perfect condition, because I expected it to get knocked about unfortunately not by me I hasten to add!!
So it's a tough one, all depends on your usage & how much you want to look after your car I guess.
But there is no reason you couldn't, I pass a whole variety of same retro / classic cars every day!!
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mgmrw
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Sweet, the above makes sense. I only live 2-3 miles from work, so the commute isn't an issue as I cycle.
I won't take the cars to work as it's a filthy caustic site that destroys cars (think big company in the news today).
The Saab passed its test yesterday, which was a touch. But needs 2 front tyres,so there's £250+ I'll never see again.
My main sticking point is that we use the Saab pretty much exclusively for going mountain biking, as none of the other cars will accept a bike rack (Gen7 Celica, 220 GTI, Austin 1300).... So I'd end up borrowing my dads shogun sport which is hateful on a long journey and does about 22mpg.
I guess the arrival of 12 months MOT has made me debate milking another year out of the Saab, as a workhorse. Ultimately as some research shows it to be worthless.
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ETA: used to work with a guy who loved Laguna's as work hacks. Had a 2003 with 290,000+ miles on it. Endless amounts of £££ put into it.
When it became FUBAR (somewhere over 320,000 from memory) he found another with "low miles"... 150,000+ and bought that.
Identical spec etc to the previous, keeping the old one tucked away as a parts car.
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ETA: used to work with a guy who loved Laguna's as work hacks. Had a 2003 with 290,000+ miles on it. Endless amounts of £££ put into it. When it became FUBAR (somewhere over 320,000 from memory) he found another with "low miles"... 150,000+ and bought that. Identical spec etc to the previous, keeping the old one tucked away as a parts car. Hopefully mine will last that long as I'll going to be well above average mileage as long as I stay in my job! Luckily not had to buy to many parts, but found plenty of bits online or at the breakers where needed. Some days I really like the Laguna, other days I hate it depending how many bits of dropped off it over the week!! It's more car than I need, but it came along at the right time an touch wood it does the job. I've found it a comfortable & economical cruiser for the size, and quite a nice looking car especially with a wash and a polish Even my mother likes it which is a first, an she usually disapproves of all my car choices in one shape or another!! And I still have my retro Fiat's for back up and weekends, so a win - win situation. As for yourself makes sense not to take the car to work!! especially the possible damage and being a short distance. Plus the cycling is a little healthier, if the Saab is proving it's worth then stick with it. Nothing worse than buying another car, to then find it needs a small fortune spending on it!!
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ChasR
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Wait, what? You did 160,000+ miles in a 3.0 v6 auto Mondeo? Surely the fuel bill was more than anything else by a mile. Wait, what? You did 160,000+ miles in a 3.0 v6 auto Mondeo? Surely the fuel bill was more than anything else by a mile. If it's 'that' mondeo it has/ had lpg so expect better than 50mpg price equivalent running a big motor never made more sense. What Dodgerover said . Both the 2.5 V6 Auto and 3.0 Manual were on LPG. My dad who I worked with at the time hated going for diesel cars ; it seemed at the time most people with diesels were blowing turbos, DPFs amongst the injector issues etc.
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I consider my car fairly modern but my colleagues think differently, I drive my Mercedes 1997 W210 E420 to work daily and clock about 30.000mls a year on it.
bought it for 1250€ 4 years ago and did not use it much until last year june I got rid of my company lease car.
So last year I spent 1800€ on a LPG install (it then had about 320.000kms on the clock)
300€ on coils (as they kept dying on me and it has 8) 25€ on plugs
3 oil changes, so about 100€
one wiring harness plug in the gearbox replaced for 40€
had it diagnosed a few times to find out which coil was broken for about 100€ in total
and 2 new part worn tyres, fitted for 70€
totally 610 euros and probably some things I now forget.
At the moment it needs 4 tyres and a gearbox oil change, but that'll have to wait untill payday.
fuel cost arent too bad as it does about 24MPG on LPG (12L/100km) which costs 0,50€ per liter and 0,30€ just accross the border in Belgium
I got fed up with the coils breaking all the time though but recently did some adjustments that seem to work well. Biggest problem was the LPG installer not following the installation manual, so next time I will do that myself as well.
The only issue for me is that it costs me a lot of time to do all the maintenance myself.
still think it was a good decision to get rid of the company car which cost me 300€ in taxes a month and I got a raise after I handed it back. Also I now claim my miles to work at 0,19€ per km which works out at 25€ per day. Financially I could not have made a better deal.
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Jeez this thread is a bit depressing..
What a question to ask on RR! Ofcourse you can use a retro car as your daily!
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My main sticking point is that we use the Saab pretty much exclusively for going mountain biking, as none of the other cars will accept a bike rack (Gen7 Celica, 220 GTI, Austin 1300).... Austin 1300 would be more than happy with an old style roof rack and a couple of bikes up there on the upright clamping things.
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My main sticking point is that we use the Saab pretty much exclusively for going mountain biking, as none of the other cars will accept a bike rack (Gen7 Celica, 220 GTI, Austin 1300).... Austin 1300 would be more than happy with an old style roof rack and a couple of bikes up there on the upright clamping things. Cheap trailer and towbar would fix that.
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mgmrw
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Thanks for the replies, some interesting points. With regards using the 1300 for cycling trips, I think I'll pass.
However, I am strongly debating parting with at least 2 of the cars, if not 3.
Total milage between 3 cars between MOT was 11k last year. 9k on Saab (all holiday/MTB/pleasure use), 400 on the Austin and the rest on the GTI.
Parting with the GTI and the Saab together, makes sense. Then bank some cash and find a mixed use daily.
Old Mercedes Benz or BMW estates appeal, likewise ST170 focus, but then for the type of use we do.... LDV maxus crew bus are ticking boxes.
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How about a Japanese MPV? Plushness of a german estate, practicality of a van, many styling options available.
Hiace, Granvia, Delica etc etc.
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