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May 27, 2020 17:43:32 GMT
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I like the approach of these, brutal simplicity and all that. Did these still have transverse cart spring rear suspension ? I know at some stage they gave in and fitted what was essentially Holden (RIP!) rear suspension to bring them into the modern era but not sure which version that happened on.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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May 27, 2020 18:04:17 GMT
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If the car handles fine leave arches stock and make the interior a nicer place to be.
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adam73bgt
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May 27, 2020 19:07:22 GMT
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As much as I like the Grand Sport, I'd say your car looks better without the flares, the stance is just bang on as it is
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Felix
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Jun 24, 2020 11:34:06 GMT
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I like the approach of these, brutal simplicity and all that. Did these still have transverse cart spring rear suspension ? I know at some stage they gave in and fitted what was essentially Holden (RIP!) rear suspension to bring them into the modern era but not sure which version that happened on. Yes it has transverse composite monoleafs front and rear. It's a great setup, very light and compact. The C7 was still using the transverse rear leaf and that has only just been superceded by the mid engined C8.... I've decided against the flares in the end since the wheel fitment is spot on and I could use the money elsewhere. I finished up the last item on my list yesterday, installing a catch can. I copied some elses idea of using one catch can but putting a couple of T's in the CCV and PCV rather than have a can on each side. The chap in the states has been a great help with the tuning side of things. I bought a chip burner here in the UK so I've been datalogging, he has sent me a tune, I've burned it, rinse and repeat. It has really sped up the process. The car is running pretty good on the 5th or 6th revision. There's still a harsh lockdown in Wales, it won't be for a couple of weeks I can really go for a long drive. In the meantime I've been commuting to work and having a lot of fun! I'm really loving the Miniram, even on the stock engine, you just have to keep the engine in the powerband, not a problem with the ZF 6 speed and 3.54 rear gears. It will smoke the tyres as long as you like. Looking back through the logs 60-100 mph took 7.5 seconds and 30-55mph was 2.3 in 2nd gear. Very respectable for a 31 year old car! Next up for the car will be a good clean! I also scored a Momo Prototipo at a great price from eBay and the rare Momo hub adaptor which retains the telescopic steering wheel.
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Jun 24, 2020 12:34:18 GMT
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Always liked C4 'vettes. They've got a lot of clever engineering that's overlooked because people see 'leaf spring' and 'body-on-frame'.
Nevermind that the leaf springs are composite so much lighter than coilovers (and weight lower down), with later C5 'vettes having a neat mechanism that lets them double as an ARB. The chassis is a little floppy, but the C5 as an evolution of it is not too bad.
You don't happen to know the length of the transverse leaf springs do you? Wondering if I might be able to pinch one for the Sptifire...
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Jun 24, 2020 12:40:26 GMT
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There's a guy who lives 2 mins from me has a silver C4 with stripes through it. In kingswood, Bristol. Admire it everytime I walk past.
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Felix
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Sept 10, 2020 10:38:57 GMT
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Sept 10, 2020 20:39:23 GMT
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Wow- I have just read this thread right through. Love it! Great writing and fun to follow- I love reading about cars being modified for sure but its also really nice to follow someone just enjoying their car. The road trips, breakdowns, car shows etc. Cheers for all the posts!
I have always admired the shape of these- low and wide. They always look big on the road but now days they aint. Its neat to see it parked against modern shopping cars and realising just how small it really is, considering the huge bonnet and engine beneath.
Glad you decided against those horrid arch extensions- I reckon they would have spoiled the clean lines.
Alex
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Felix
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Living in Wales and near constant lockdown I've enjoyed reading the threads here so thought I'd do a little write up again. My car mojo has been pretty low, with nowhere to go and the most ridiculous MOT tester. I think I've got the issues sorted and I'm booking the MOT tomorrow morning! I took the car to a local garage which also specialises in old Jags, thinking they would be reasonable with a 30 year old imported car. With lockdown in full effect and Cardiff a different area even if just 5 miles away, I thought I could just take it down the road instead. Wrong! Whilst there were some things I needed to sort, such as a broken handbrake cable connector, they were more interested in deriding the car and picking up anything they could. Shame as I would have taken my daily Volvo and the girlfriends Mini there otherwise, not to mention the Corvette. The rear indicators are in the reverse lamp housings so that the 4 red tail lights can remain. Being an equal distance from the centre of the car, they've never been questioned before. After I pointed this out the tester got his back up, called someone over and declared them “not orange enough”. It's an orange bulb in a clear housing, not exactly an unusual combination? They further picked up on the side markers not being visible from the back of the car and the seats being dangerously insecure, when infact they tilt a bit so you can reach the release lever, just like they came out of the factory. A small crack in the steering shaft rag joint was another serious fail, which had eluded any previous MOT inspection. My one genuine worry was emissions, and they did allow a quick tweak of the distributor to drop the CO and pass. However I wasn't happy with it running rich at idle and so that was something to sort out. Having “recovered” the car back home having spent £50 to get very grumpy I set about sorting out the small items. I painted the reverse lamp housings yellow, hoping to make the indicators more orange, and it looks alright against the plate anyway. I couldn't find one of these rubber pieces anywhere but after some measuring, a similar item from a Ford Sierra would be a close fit. The pinch bolt holding the shaft to the rack was a little tight and my trolley jack handle doubled up as a suitable bar. The third brake light only had one bulb working, not a fail but an irritation. Luckily at a car show someone gave me some C4 oddments in exchange for cold Cider and I was able to swap the innards over from another. The bulb had melted to the housing and cooked the board. New headlight adjusters since the others were siezed: The handbrake cable has an integral collar which had broken, no longer actuating the left caliper. The handbrake uses a cam on the brake caliper to push the pads onto the disc, rather than conventional shoes. It can be quite fussy but hopefully a new cable will be all that's required. The car only has one single wire O2 sensor and it has difficulty staying in operating range with the long tube headers and dual exhaust. Since removing the smog pump I had a spare 12v & ground in the engine bay. Running this to a new 3 wire pigtail connector, I then fitted a 3 wire heated O2 sensor. Now the car goes into closed loop at idle in 3 minutes. Perfect! This should help with my emissions, MPG and performance. My bluetooth OBD-1 scanner has been a great bit of kit. I used it to datalog with a laptop to tune the car when I changed the intake and rockers. Here I'm using it with an app on my phone to see live readouts and watch it go into closed loop as well as the O2 function. My throttle body has always had play in the shaft, which is a small vacuum leak and it's required a regular spray of WD40 to keep it smooth. On eBay USA I spotted a billet aluminium Holley 58mm throttle body, open box and 50% off. It's a bit step up from the factory 48mm butterflies and a beautiful piece. With the new intake it lines up pretty well already, although when I next have it apart I'll open up those extra 2mm on the side. It'll future proof any engine tweaks later on too. I bought some bucket seats for a bargain price too, Sparco Torino II's. Not many seats fit in the C4 because the transmission tunnel accounts for half of the cabin and the handbrake is down by the sill. These should have fitted but the recline knob lined up perfectly with my seat belt reel and it was a no-go. I passed on the deal to someone who drove up from London. They were going in a track car replicating one their Dad built before passing away. The chances of finding another set must have been slim and they were thrilled. [ Then just about ready for MOT I had a setback. After changing the valve cover gasket on the passenger side and tightening the cover down it cracked! I was a bit miffed as I'd hardly snugged them down. I emailed the manufacturer Proform and asked for a replacement, as a new pair would be circa £300 delivered from the USA. I got them second hand with the heads in the summer and now with the roller rocker arms I couldn't go back to factory covers. To their credit, with no receipt they agreed to send me another one if we split postage between us. £32 later I was back in business. Although they sent it via the US postal service so it took a couple of weeks before it even showed up in the tracking at Chicago, but once it was on the system it arrived quickly and marked as a commerical sample worth $1 I paid no duties either. Result! I didn't like the look of the bucket seats in the car and it made me realise the best course of action is to redo mine and take care of the cracked leather and worn bolster. It's only £400 for a complete carpet set and that had me thinking, if I do both, perhaps I should go for a red interior? It would look great against the black I think! In the summer a shares saving scheme with mature and I could redo the whole interior for about £1500 if I do it myself. It's a temptation and I think it would add so much to the car. It's going to be a bit longer before I can really swing a complete engine build anyway. The other thing that has happened is my big shed arrived too! In the summer I made the base out of some sleepers and a mere 3 ton of limestone to level it out. A local company supplied the 10x8 pent shed and it's great quality, no chipboard to be seen. At 6'2 there's plenty of headroom for me too. I made a workbench and finally have my tools and stuff organised, it's so nice to have everything in one place for the first time in my motoring life! (excuse the winter tyres) And this week 10 years ago I started my first thread on here after buying my white 924 for under a grand. 10 years and 30 countries later here's hoping 2021 will provide more automotive adventures!
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mk2cossie
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For the indicators, you could always change to Amber LED bulb replacements. I have on my rear lamps, and they shine through the red tinted tinted lenses perfectly! (Always thought the rear indicators are in a daft location on the back of your corvette ) Although thinking about it, could you repurpose a pair of red lamps to be the indicators and revert the reverse lights back to reverse lights? What were the emissions readings from the MOT test? As being a non cat test yours should be 3.5% CO and 1200 ppm for HC limits
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Felix
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Thanks, that's a good idea! I would like to do that in the future but the only access to the wiring is through the numberplate aperture and the PO must have cut the wires before. The red tail lights also double as fog lights.
I thought about those hamburger LED lights too, it's just a standard 80mm round light
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mk2cossie
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If it was mine, I'd probably rejig it so that the foglight is on the righthand side of the number plate, reverse light on the left, and use the inner round lights with Amber LEDs for indicators As much as a faff as that sounds with the previous owners wiring foibles, there would be huge satisfaction with that job when done Do the wheels need much upkeep to maintain how clean and shiny they are?
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Felix
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Jan 13, 2021 12:43:16 GMT
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That's a good idea! The wheels still look like the day I had them done. The chrome powder coat requires no more maintenance than any other powder coat finish. I can't be bothered will polishing/detailing stuff really so I wanted a durable and low effort finish! Came across a bit of a bargain on eBay and had to go for it! A complete engine from a 1988 Corvette. Shiply was great for delivery too, ended up costing £60 to get it on a pallet from Watford to Cardiff. The seller had a C4 as well and was very helpful on his end getting it ready to send to me. It has 121k on the clock but has been used with a Procharger and 150 shot of NOS so a bit tired probably! I wanted a later SBC block as it has a 1 piece RMS and hydraulic roller cam as standard. To get one complete was a real bonus, I can sell the heads and intake to recover the cost of purchase. All the ancillary brackets will make useful spares or again have value, along with the bolts and little connectors and sundries. I've been stuck for a couple of days before waiting on electrical connectors so having a little supply of my own will be good. As for plans I have the CNC ported heads in my loft ready, which flow 40% more than the stock aluminum heads. Mated with my aftermarket intake and a suitable cam will see an easy 400bhp. I'm going to strip the block down, hopefully it's still on the original bore. If it checks out okay the idea is to make a 6.3L 383ci stroker. This should make 500bhp a realistic goal, however I'd be happy to settle for a strong and reliable engine rather than a number. For $800 a complete 383 kit can be bought, that's new crank, rods, pistons, bearings and rings. Double that for forged components, although I want a strong NA engine and can't see myself adding a supercharger in the future. It might be I could get away with a more basic rebuild of the bottom end but I have a feeling for the extra money I'll regret not going for the 6.3L Yesterday I took the ancillaries off as well as the exhaust manifolds, it's certainly easier to take the plugs out in this situation! The all looked consistent at least. I might do a compression test out of curiosity too.
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lebowski
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Jan 13, 2021 15:48:05 GMT
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I'm very jealous of your shed!
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“Honey, there’s a small block Chevy in the garden.”
I recall Callaway, in prepping C4 engines for their elegant twin turbo upgrade, machined the block to take 4-bolt main caps and used a Callies crank, can’t remember which rods (prob Carillo) and Mahle or Cosworth pistons. I think at that time (C4 R2BK) they left the heads alone, but I could be wrong.
Their Sledgehammer, which set a serious record of 254.76 mph (think about that) was, obviously, a much more involved job.
I like your car. John
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Felix
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“Honey, there’s a small block Chevy in the garden.” I recall Callaway, in prepping C4 engines for their elegant twin turbo upgrade, machined the block to take 4-bolt main caps and used a Callies crank, can’t remember which rods (prob Carillo) and Mahle or Cosworth pistons. I think at that time (C4 R2BK) they left the heads alone, but I could be wrong. Their Sledgehammer, which set a serious record of 254.76 mph (think about that) was, obviously, a much more involved job. I like your car. John That's right, you can splay the 2 bolt caps to 4, which is stronger that a regular 4 bolt. I'd be surprised if they used the standard heads, I think they only support about 350bhp without porting. I love the engineering on the Sledgehammer, they used the frame rails as part of the turbo system. There's a great documentary on their channel:
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rodharris83
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Another good article on the Sledgehammer: link
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Felix
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Mar 10, 2021 10:08:26 GMT
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Good news! I have a new MOT with no advisories. I took it to the garage where I used to take my little white 924 back in the day and all my little fixes paid off. It's a great relief to be able to tax and drive it again now, I forgot how much fun it was after 6 months but soon got back into the swing of it! Those wheels still looking lovely after a year of being outside! Can highly recommend the company that did them. I've been wanting to upgrade my brakes, partly for more bling now that I have the 18” wheels and I jumped on a few bargains. A pair of Wilwood 2 piece discs for the rear from a show car for half price. They've done so few miles most of the coating is still on the discs! I was considering saving up for a 6 pot Wilwood setup but I had been watching a set of 6 pot C6 Z06 calipers on eBay for a while. I messaged the seller asking if he'd take £250 for the fronts (a new set is about £550 landed from the USA) and he accepted my offer. They're a bit rough but I figure I can get them rebuilt and still come out ahead by a decent amount. They take 14” front discs, a pair of OEM is £150 all in or I could get some nice two piece ones to match the rear and help unsprung weight. I can get an adaptor bracket and they'll mount straight up to my factory spindle. I have an aftermarket brake bias spring to install which will restore more rear bias as well. The calipers use padlets (although 1 piece pads are available) and don't have the ultimate reputation but they'll come in about £1000 cheaper than the Wilwood setup. What colour to go for though? I think hot pink would look good against the black and very 80's! On another C4, this is a fantastic build with an LS engine and all sorts of nice bits. Those coilovers and adjustable control arms look tasty! The two piece Wilwood rears to suit the factory caliper. The rear brake caliper doubles as the handbrake, there's not a traditional shoe. This makes changing to aftermarket calipers expensive, you need a dedicated parking brake or a £600+ hub which uses the C5 handbrake. The first priority is the diff, which has had a steady leak for sometime. I have a complete SKF bearing set to go in and my local classic friendly mechanic will sort that out at the end of the month. At the same time the half shafts will get new u-joints and poly diff mounts will be fitted. I spent an afternoon stripping down the spare engine. I've sold the heads, intake and some other bits and now I'm a couple hundred up on the purchase price and still have the complete short block and accessory belt brackets! Hopefully the last time I take a TPI intake apart, there's different sized torx bolts holding in the top plenum, runners and then base. The lifter valley looks clean, no gunky old oil evident. Heads off, bores look good In fact they're still factory bore! This is great news as the engine in my car is already .030” over. There's no ridge at the top of the bore either. The crank doesn't look that bad either. And the block is now bare. I'm contemplating building up a budget factory stroke engine this winter with my friend which will work well with my nice aftermarket heads. I got a quote of £8k to machine and assemble a 383 which seemed ludicrous to me, especially with no warranty. By the time a stronger clutch and flywheel are added, aftermarket ECU etc the cost spirals. If I could reuse the crank and rods and get some flat top pistons I should be good to go and I'll be able to retain the factory clutch. With a suitable cam the engine would still be north of 400bhp and would owe me around £2k instead. I can get very nice valve train components, sump etc so if I did go to a 383 in the future all of my parts would still be useful.
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mat88
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Mar 10, 2021 22:38:16 GMT
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Just read this from start to finish.. I've never really "wanted" an American car before. Il admit I was of the "leaf springs and pushrod engines, what is it the 60s,how do they only get 200bhp from 6litre" mentality... Not helped by an old school mates older brother having a transam when we were younger that left me positively underwhelmed (my parents chavalier was faster)..
But.... I don't know if it's the way it's written, the car itself, the look of it, or perhaps I've matured haha. But I really really like this.. I mean I like everything with a V8 but this is brilliant. Seeing how you've worked through upgrading as you go, the road trips (even commuting in my car seems risky haha) and the scenic photos all make it a good read!
Bookmarked for the journey, now off to look for a thread about a 924 I've no interest in either 😂😂
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Paul Y
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Mar 11, 2021 13:53:25 GMT
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Built a 383 for a friend using one of the Eagle kits from Summit. Cast crank, forged pistons - think it was around $1300 from memory. Worth the money if you are going to build it yourself. Make sure you check all the clearances and gap the rings properly - a couple in the kit had a tiny ring gap which would have destroyed the engine if you just slapped it together. Still going strong after... 5 years? of abuse. Do it. You won't regret it. P.
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