steveg
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I'm wondering what is more common, repair panels supplied with joggled edges or on the car ? I haven't bought any before.
When I have done this myself using bits off other cars I have put the joggled edge on the car so the repair panel sits on top of it. This way any moisture running down the inside of the panel is less likely to get into the seam. It also gives you a good chance of completely sealing the seam with lead or at least try and get some paint in it.
A lot depends on how well you seal the back up, if you can get to it easily, that is.
It would be better to butt weld the joints but I think that might be a bit to skilled for me to do myself.
What do you think ?
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Last Edit: Dec 9, 2015 22:32:10 GMT by steveg
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Fungus
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I usually butt weld, I wouldn't say it takes any more skill, just more patience. Obviously there's far less 'wiggle room' for lining up the panel.
I would get both edges nice and clean with some 60 grit, get some decent clamps and take as much time as you need to line it all up nicely.
I usually leave a gap no larger than 0.75mm, but never have an area with no gap at all because it tends to push out weld welding due to expansion.
This is just iny experience, I'm sure someone else will come along with better advice!
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steveg
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Thanks for the info. The panels in question are front wings that you can't get to the back of very easily. To explain a bit more I have been waiting for some wing repair panels to be made and was able to get one side made a little larger than normal to enable me to cut out a previous crash repair. The guy getting the batch made has finally been able to get them done but thee manufacturers has put a joggled edge along the joint on the new panel. I didn't think that having the joint overlap that way was a good plan, if I cut it off and put a joggle on the wing I make the repair panel a bit short.
The annoying thing is that now the first batch has been made the next one won't have the joggled edge on at all as he didn't ask for them in the first place. I'm not sure whether to take the panels which have already been paid for (it was the only way they could be done) or what to do really.
If it's normal for repair panels to be supplied this way then it's just my fault as I didn't realise but the ones I have seen in the past have just had plain edges ? Normally I wouldn't worry but it involves a fair amount of money.
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Dec 10, 2015 11:00:22 GMT
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ive not bought any with a already joggled edge
is there any scope to trim it off and still have enough to use , always save as much original car as you can by cutting the repair panels down
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Dec 10, 2015 12:04:39 GMT
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Can't say I've ever had any repair panels with jogged edges either
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steveg
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Dec 10, 2015 16:17:19 GMT
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One side won't matter but the other one has a previous repair after a truck side swiped me many years ago there might just be enough to do what I need. My worried is that the panels will have distorted a bit where the joggles have been added. I paid up early to help get them produced and the first batch seems to be a bit of a test run unfortunately.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:44:05 GMT
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Never seen repair panels with a joggled edge, I've always assumed its because panels get cut down and the extra expense in the process.
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Dec 10, 2015 20:30:06 GMT
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Can't you just hammer the joggles out? I've done it plenty of times before. There's gonna be a certain amount of distortion from the weldin anyway
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Dec 10, 2015 22:37:05 GMT
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early beetle quarter panel repair panels used to come with a joddled edge
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steveg
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In some ways it might be a good thing, you don't need to buy a tool to do the job yourself it's just that it doesn't seem to be the normal way to do it. The panels at £300 for one side and £350 for the other taller one aren't exactly cheap anyway.
Perhaps I will have to butt weld them it's just that the next batch won't be done the same and it makes me wonder why when nobody else has mentioned it being a problem.
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Dec 11, 2015 10:21:40 GMT
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I'm surprised they're joddled too - more costly to make because it's an extra operation, more limiting for the person who uses them. The trouble is, if it's taken a long time to get this batch made due to getting enough people together to make it worthwhile, how long will it be to get another batch made without the joddles, and might they be more expensive next time round? I'd go with flatting out the edge if possible, it's hard to know whether that's realistic without picturing the wing in question.
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steveg
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Dec 11, 2015 14:46:37 GMT
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I haven't seen them myself, only a couple of small pictures. Good point about the second batch though. Initially nobody who paid up really knew if doing the first batch was possible.
Thanks for the replies. I didn't think it was a normal way to do things just hope I can get round it somehow.
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Dec 19, 2015 22:01:33 GMT
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I would agree with fungus, butt weld panels in, it's neater and you will never know its been repaired if done nicely
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