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Found this thread after your "what's it worth?" post.
I'm very impressed by the fact this car has survived in such remarkable condition, I hope you're proven right in your belief that it is the sole UK survivor.
You're very sensible in wishing to keep it as original as possible.
Sobering bit:-
It's rare.
It's not immensely valuable, (like an inherited barn find E-Type valuable), but it's valuable enough.
You have become the custodian of a reasonably important car.
The reason it's survived when all it's counterparts have long since been scrapped off is simply because it's been left unused in a garage.
VW mechanicals were better than average in this period, the main reason these cars didn't survive beyond about 15-20 years was principally due to corrosion, your Passat desperately wants to rust. Waxoyl will provide some protection but there are 1,001 spots where rust will start to get a hold if you give it half a chance.
If you want it to survive in the long term you need to have it under cover, preferably garaged.
You need to avoid using it when anything other than fine weather is forecast and particularly during the winter when the roads are gritted.
You need to use it sparingly as a special treat; fine weather car shows & the odd fine weather jaunt into the countryside. This will also help keep the mileage down.
If you were to use it as an everyday car in all weathers in 15 or 20 years time there will be no surviving Passat B1 estates in the UK.
So, you might think, what's the point of owning this classic if I can hardly ever use it? We probably get a lot more fine weather days than we feel like we get. Judicious use of a classic / retro car to extend it's life is something that tortures all owners of classics. The alternative, if this car became quite rotten, how much would it cost to get an extensive bodywork restoration carried out? I'd suggest, (in today's money), upwards of £20K.
You were enquiring about value for an agreed valuation with your insurers, there's something else that you might want to consider, (depending how fond you are of the car). Some classic car insurers will agree to a 'no write off' clause which means that the car can't be written off regardless of the cost of repair. If, for example, you agreed a value of £8K with your insurer and your Passat got crushed on level crossing, catching fire as a result, and the restoration cost was £35K - they'd have to pay to get it done. If it got stolen, you'd only get the £8K.
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Found this thread after your "what's it worth?" post. I'm very impressed by the fact this car has survived in such remarkable condition, I hope you're proven right in your belief that it is the sole UK survivor. You're very sensible in wishing to keep it as original as possible. Sobering bit:- It's rare. It's not immensely valuable, (like an inherited barn find E-Type valuable), but it's valuable enough. You have become the custodian of a reasonably important car.The reason it's survived when all it's counterparts have long since been scrapped off is simply because it's been left unused in a garage. VW mechanicals were better than average in this period, the main reason these cars didn't survive beyond about 15-20 years was principally due to corrosion, your Passat desperately wants to rust. Waxoyl will provide some protection but there are 1,001 spots where rust will start to get a hold if you give it half a chance. If you want it to survive in the long term you need to have it under cover, preferably garaged. You need to avoid using it when anything other than fine weather is forecast and particularly during the winter when the roads are gritted. You need to use it sparingly as a special treat; fine weather car shows & the odd fine weather jaunt into the countryside. This will also help keep the mileage down. If you were to use it as an everyday car in all weathers in 15 or 20 years time there will be no surviving Passat B1 estates in the UK. So, you might think, what's the point of owning this classic if I can hardly ever use it? We probably get a lot more fine weather days than we feel like we get. Judicious use of a classic / retro car to extend it's life is something that tortures all owners of classics. The alternative, if this car became quite rotten, how much would it cost to get an extensive bodywork restoration carried out? I'd suggest, (in today's money), upwards of £20K. You were enquiring about value for an agreed valuation with your insurers, there's something else that you might want to consider, (depending how fond you are of the car). Some classic car insurers will agree to a 'no write off' clause which means that the car can't be written off regardless of the cost of repair. If, for example, you agreed a value of £8K with your insurer and your Passat got crushed on level crossing, catching fire as a result, and the restoration cost was £35K - they'd have to pay to get it done. If it got stolen, you'd only get the £8K. Well that post put the willies up me!  HowManyLeft seems to indicate it might be the last in the UK - one was taxed earlier this year but this seems to have run out and no SORN has been made. www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_passat_variant_lsNonetheless, this car was never about financial gain, but about building up my knowledge on cars while gaining an interesting ride for nice summer days. I'll remain true to that. You're entirely right about the rust though; every example of this car I've seen online has had major issues with rust. Currently, I'm fully confident this car has no rust anywhere that requires anything more than a light sand down and bit of primer/topcoat, and even these bits are minor blemishes. It's also absolutely not my daily and is only ever intended to be a fine weather summer car. I might have already slipped from that this week and have already covered 400+ miles, but after spending 10 months working on her I wanted to put her through her paces and have at least some fun! She's also performed flawlessly so far, managing lots of hills in the Lake District, plus a 4 hour traffic jam on the M6. Never stalled, never spluttered, always pulled strongly and has been an absolute joy to drive. Lots of great comments from people too. But winter is coming. I've now started the hunt for a new house with a garage where the car can weather the worst of the storm, and I can pay a bit more attention to the minor jobs that inevitably crop up. Thanks for your advice on the insurance too, definitely something for me to think about! |
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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I'd definitely echo the comments about buying half a dozen cans of bilt hamber dynax or dinitrol cavity wax and emptying them under the arches, along the chassis box section, sills etc. Before winter sets in :-)
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Found this thread after your "what's it worth?" post...... Well that post put the willies up me! ...... But winter is coming. I've now started the hunt for a new house with a garage where the car can weather the worst of the storm, and I can pay a bit more attention to the minor jobs that inevitably crop up....... A garage isn't essential but is very very nice to have and will help with preserving this car more than any other single measure you could take! (I still haven't got around to it although I have a plot earmarked in my garden for a Mk X sized garage). |
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jamesd1972
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Love the car and the work done to get it going.
Just one thought a damp unventilated garage can be way worse than simply keeping the rain off in a car port, so do the sensible thing and ensure any new house has a massive garage preferably with power, storage, a pit and heating!
James
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I've followed this from day 1 caught my eye being so unusual. As many have already said well done for persevering with it now u can reap the rewards.
You must be well chuffed and deservedly so. Defo keep it out of the salt tho!!
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I've followed this from day 1 caught my eye being so unusual. As many have already said well done for persevering with it now u can reap the rewards. You must be well chuffed and deservedly so. yes, agree wholeheartedly great job JP |
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Much as that estate also looks a gem, I'd be slightly nervous as to how much wob is hiding under the respray. |
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Oct 22, 2016 12:05:23 GMT
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Amazing,it's almost as though someone has seen this thread and suddenly remembered they have one the same in the loft ! Looks pretty good,it will be interesting to see what it makes.  |
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Oct 22, 2016 12:59:55 GMT
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Just from the photos I'd say that's nowhere near as nice as Fred's Passat. If you ever get to see it in the flesh (so to speak) it's an amazing car.
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Oct 22, 2016 14:04:06 GMT
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Just from the photos I'd say that's nowhere near as nice as Fred's Passat. If you ever get to see it in the flesh (so to speak) it's an amazing car. Yeah for sure.. Looking closely at the ebay one you can see the rear end of the sill has been plated on the passenger side and there looks to be a bit of arch rot.Drivers side rear sill is a different yellow and looks a bit grotty too.Bonnet gaps are off and the pic of the sill with the door open shows the door bottoms don't look too clever. Funny how another should show up in the same colour given how rare they are though. |
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Oct 22, 2016 17:22:15 GMT
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You wait for a bus, and......
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Rob
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hi there, ive followed this thread form beginning to end. love the car, though I'm biased, I'm a vw tech and own 2 vws.
if your ever stuck, just pm me and ill try to help, i have access to etka and elsa. paul knows who i am btw....
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taurus
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hi there, ive followed this thread form beginning to end. love the car, though I'm biased, I'm a vw tech and own 2 vws. if your ever stuck, just pm me and ill try to help, i have access to etka and elsa. paul knows who i am btw.... Yes - he's a very naughty boy who plays with noisy toys. But if you've got a VW question then he's your man..... |
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Rob
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haha thanks mate.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:28:18 GMT
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Amazing,it's almost as though someone has seen this thread and suddenly remembered they have one the same in the loft ! Looks pretty good,it will be interesting to see what it makes. Much as that estate also looks a gem, I'd be slightly nervous as to how much wob is hiding under the respray. Holy cow! Good find!! Somehow I'm jealous of not owning this car! Also slightly freaked out at how similar it is! (Although thanks taurus I think mine's cleaner too  ) Going to watch this closely and probably take down the reg to watch it in future. hi there, ive followed this thread form beginning to end. love the car, though I'm biased, I'm a vw tech and own 2 vws. if your ever stuck, just pm me and ill try to help, i have access to etka and elsa. paul knows who i am btw.... Thanks a lot! Much appreciated! I'll be doing quite a lot over the winter once a garage is sorted out so expect some stupid questions Where abouts are you based too? And what VWs do you own? |
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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Oct 25, 2016 20:09:49 GMT
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Ebay one not quite as described methinks..... Resprayed more recently than the mid 80s, 97k is not low mileage and that drivers seat is most definitely not mint.... Bet it needs substantial welding for MoT too.
Used to be taken to school (30 km through Swazi forests over gravel forestry roads) in one rather like that in the late 70's. It had twin round headlights though.
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1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing)
1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Rob
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I'm based in churchill, victoria, australia. originally from Hull, the one with the big bridge.
i have a 2003 passat sev6 wagon, an a 2004 bora v6 4motion. aswell as a few other toys....
fire away with any questions.
Rob
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Right!
Car still not in a garage as every place I've been to see just wasn't up to the task. But, although being taxed, insured and MOTd, she's not being driven at all. However I have a few viewings this/next week so fingers crossed I'll find something quite soon.
I'm about to begin prepping her for shows next year and want to start in the engine bay. Currently the valve/rocker/air filter covers are looking very tatty and tired, so are in need of a refresh. What are my options?
I'm thinking of sending them off to be sand blasted and powder coated, possibly in the same colour as the car, but not sure if this would look horribly tacky or strange? Would I also want them powder coated, or simply heat-resistant painted?
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1979 Mk1 Passat Estate 1.6 LS
1996 Mk3.5 Fiesta 1.3 Classic
1997 Mk1 MX5 1.8i
2005 Mazda 3 TS
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