andyborris
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Jun 15, 2015 15:48:58 GMT
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The alloy wheels on my car use a 7/16th UNF 60 degree tapered nut.
I'd like to put the alloy wheels on backwards (!), the front face of the wheel is flat.
If I drill the wheel to accept sleeve nuts that have a 3/4th tube diameter, what chance do I have of keeping the wheels on the car?
I'm hoping that the washer supplied with the sleeve nut will hold the wheel on. I believe that the sleeve locates the wheel, rather than the taper.
This system was used on many alloy wheels.
I'd use a tapered steel insert to “fill in” the space left by the redundant taper, that now sits against the hub.
Or just a crazy dream.........?
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sparkyt
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Jun 15, 2015 18:03:07 GMT
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Your going to have to post up some pictures I've got to see it .
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Jun 15, 2015 18:11:17 GMT
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I would be interested in pics and knowing what your insurance Co say about it, I can see possible issues with extra strain on the wheel bearings or even the wheels shaking the nuts loose.
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Last Edit: Jun 15, 2015 18:12:46 GMT by Deleted
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Jun 15, 2015 19:19:43 GMT
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Probably exactly the same as they would say about wide wheels, wheel spacers or pcd adaptors.
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markbognor
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Jun 15, 2015 19:24:03 GMT
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There was a slingshot in CC or SM years ago, yellow body, possibly pinto. That had slots on the wrong way round, the moulding in the back of the spokes had a cool ribbed design.
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andyborris
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Thanks, and no-ones fallen off a chair laughing!
I'll add pictures in an attempt to explain at the weekend.
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sowen
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A mate used to run around in an old Land Rover with Discovery steels bolted on backwards, never had any issues even with rough offroading. Be interested to see your photos of what they are
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mylittletony
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Many wheels were held on using sleeve nuts, American ones in particular...
I'm going to be using a set to hold some re-drilled alloys onto my car, but for my own peace of mind I'm using spigot rings to keep them aligned and sleeve nuts with washers to clamp them on.
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steveg
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Quite a few OE wheels have steel inserts. If you pressed and glued some in from what was the front, with a tapered bit where the nut would have been I can't see it being a big problem. A lot will depend on the style of the wheel, if the center was thick enough you could re-machine the taper.. Interesting idea though. It would make it possible to use front wheel drive offset wheels on a RWD car if you felt the need.
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andyborris
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Jun 16, 2015 17:25:17 GMT
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Many wheels were held on using sleeve nuts, American ones in particular... I'm going to be using a set to hold some re-drilled alloys onto my car, but for my own peace of mind I'm using spigot rings to keep them aligned and sleeve nuts with washers to clamp them on. Triumph Stag alloy wheels (also fit my car) have sleeve nuts with a large washer, the washer sits in circular insert on the wheel to help (I guess!) locate it. I'd worry about cutting an insert into a wheel that already has chamfers cut for nuts on the opposite side , it may make the wheel centre too thin? I'm going to have a good look at this at the weekend, take proper measurements etc. The most important dimension (I think!) is the how much metal will be left in the wheel centre if I cut inserts for the sleeve nut washers, ideally there'll be enough metal to fit chamfer nuts with a new chamfer on the backside of the wheel. Being an older English car, not sure if spigot rings would work.... And pictures to follow.
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andyborris
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Jun 16, 2015 17:27:25 GMT
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Quite a few OE wheels have steel inserts. If you pressed and glued some in from what was the front, with a tapered bit where the nut would have been I can't see it being a big problem. A lot will depend on the style of the wheel, if the center was thick enough you could re-machine the taper.. Interesting idea though. It would make it possible to use front wheel drive offset wheels on a RWD car if you felt the need. Almost what I want to do, really hard to find reasonably priced wheels with a proper off-set for old rear wheel drive now!
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andyborris
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Jun 16, 2015 17:28:24 GMT
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There was a slingshot in CC or SM years ago, yellow body, possibly pinto. That had slots on the wrong way round, the moulding in the back of the spokes had a cool ribbed design. Nothing new under the sun then!
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steveg
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Jun 16, 2015 19:48:42 GMT
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The first different wheels I fitted on my 2000 were something similar to steel 8 spokes 6x14 I think. I made up some carriers to bolt onto the front of them then fitted a set of Stag PI trims. It looked fairly standard but I could get slightly better tyres for it. I splashed out on some Compomotive ML's but I'm not really sure I like them now. I think if I were doing it again I would get some TR5 steels and get them banded, they don't go on the back of a Mk2 very well due to the offset though.
I have the same trouble with my 940 and have fitted FWD Peugeot steel wheels with spacers, not so much for look but so I could get better tyres and fit bigger brakes.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:55:18 GMT
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There was a slingshot in CC or SM years ago, yellow body, possibly pinto. That had slots on the wrong way round, the moulding in the back of the spokes had a cool ribbed design. Nothing new under the sun then! Camera still needs to be invented ,a lot of talk ,but not many photos
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There was a slingshot in CC or SM years ago, yellow body, possibly pinto. That had slots on the wrong way round, the moulding in the back of the spokes had a cool ribbed design. This one? Appears to have Revolutions on in this photo from '95.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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markbognor
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Maybe my memory is befuddled, but there definitely was one with reversed slots, they looked like some sort of 60's hailbrand wheel. I think it had come about because the axle was too narrow for the wheels to fit the usual way round without fouling the body. That yellow one above is really nicely finished, this one i remember being no less functional but not as shiney.
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andyborris
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Jun 17, 2015 16:57:18 GMT
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If you're using sleeve nuts the wheel needs to locate on the centre spigot ideally. I'm pretty sure that the Triumph/GKN alloy wheels (which use sleeve nuts) don't need a spigot, mainly because the Triumph hasn't got one! But I agree that it would be a good idea, trouble is, what started as a budget idea is leaving my budget far behind!
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stealthstylz
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Make sure the sleeve nuts are a tight fit in the wheels and it should be fine. They may wear oval over time if theyve got any room to move at all.
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andyborris
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Jun 20, 2015 13:44:44 GMT
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Well that was a stupid idea! Front of the wheel isn't flat enough!
Shame, 'cos the inside of the wheel looks really good!
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Last Edit: Jun 20, 2015 13:45:33 GMT by andyborris
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