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May 28, 2007 10:34:47 GMT
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Hello everyone. Been browsing this forum for ages but only just decided to sign up as i thought this might be a good place to ask.
Does anyone here have any experience with lancia integrales? Basically i am looking into the 16v or evos and just wondered if its true about their poor reliability? I would intend to use it as my daily drive, so it would have to be reliable to a point.
Me and a mate recently found a workshop but that has fallen through, the plan was to build a mk1 jetta 16v g60. So basically i have money burning a hole in my pocket and am looking for a car that is quite fast out of the box with room for some tuning.
Cheers,
Dan.
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May 28, 2007 10:42:47 GMT
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A friend of mine used to own one....they break easily,are expensive to fix and use loads of fuel.A good service history is a must.
But on the up side,they're one of the best handling,quickest point to point machines evAr!
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May 28, 2007 11:23:02 GMT
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What they both said^^ I need one at some point, but i will probably buy the cheapest shoddiest one available and spend all my time fixing it. Never owned one but I have looked at a few, so cant offer a lot of advice. There are a couple of evo`s around this way used on a daily basis, but I wouldnt expect them to be cheap to run, which I am sure you know already. PS. Welcome to the forum Have a pic   |
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May 28, 2007 11:34:15 GMT
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I'll ask my friend the italian specialist in the week for you. all I know is they're more reliable than fiat 20v turbo coupe, but that isn't really saying much  |
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May 28, 2007 11:45:13 GMT
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Thanks for your replies, bodieanddoyle that would be good if you could ask. Sometimes cars gain a reputation because the people that own them expect them to be as reliable as a normal family car. If you could ask them what they are like for getting through head gaskets and turbos that would be great!
I found a website with some switchable map chips which run off a daughter board. So you can run it on economy and then there are another 3 modes which go up to full race (about 280bhp i think).
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impmann
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May 28, 2007 11:47:52 GMT
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Take the price of any part, add the same value again, give it three week delivery and then it won't work once fitted. The back of the roof rusts in the brochure and is a git to fix. The build quality is a joke and the servicing bills make you cry.
But when they work - oh boy are they good.
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impmann
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May 28, 2007 11:52:23 GMT
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Turbos... yep they eat themselves if you don't keep rigidly to the service schedule and cause a smoke screen like you wouldn't believe when they fail.
Headgaskets - mine never went. Everything else went tats oop on it at various points but I still have fond memories of it (Delta Turbo). The 1300 Martini I had was almost reliable!
Oh and if its cheap - its cheap for a reason, its fubar. If it doesn't have a wodge of receipts and service history it WILL be rubbish. Just don't even consider it!!!!
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May 28, 2007 11:56:28 GMT
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What sort of service intervals do they have? I'd do most the work on it myself so that would save some £££ hopefully. Seems to me they run pretty high boost levels, which i guess causes some of the problems?
Cheers for the pic pheonix, they do look lovely.
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May 28, 2007 12:03:07 GMT
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Lovely looking cars. Here's one from Yorkraceway a couple of years ago....  I'd love one but if I was going for something that does everything straight out of the box then it would have to be an Impreza Classic for value for money. Not the prettiest car, granted, but extremely fast, reliable (till messed about with) and amazing handling. Have a go in one (STi preferably) and you'll want one, trust me.
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May 28, 2007 13:22:07 GMT
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May 28, 2007 14:16:16 GMT
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The 8 valve, but Wheeler Dealers buy and restore an Integrale here |
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May 28, 2007 16:40:38 GMT
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A friend advises:
'The body shell is weak. They have a habit of creasing/cracking at the bottom of the windscreen.
Please look on the lancia forums. An awful lot of people have bought one and regretted it.
It is an A+++ car if you get a good one'.
This guy sold his car (evo 1 IIRC) and bought a 911 (20k worth).
He says that it's no quicker or nicer to drive than the lancia but the running costs are nearly half.
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Last Edit: May 28, 2007 16:59:26 GMT by alpineandy
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May 28, 2007 16:48:12 GMT
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I wouldnt say they are more reliable than a 20v turbo coop !!1 check for rust rust and rust,cracking at a pillars and cambelt oh and have a look for rust !
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Last Edit: May 28, 2007 16:48:40 GMT by Fiat Daft
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May 28, 2007 18:23:17 GMT
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theres a derv delta in a field about 200 paces from me i only discovered last winter. it goes and they want too much money. tis all the advice i have  |
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May 28, 2007 19:31:32 GMT
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Take the price of any part, add the same value again, give it three week delivery and then it won't work once fitted. The back of the roof rusts in the brochure and is a git to fix. The build quality is a joke and the servicing bills make you cry. But when they work - oh boy are they good. ;D ;D i remeber having one in the work shop a couple of years ago, it was a nightmare to repair... you could open the bonnet, throw in a maglite, close the bonnet and it was totally dark under the car .... and, you just can't drive it normally.... |
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May 30, 2007 18:20:39 GMT
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Had a word with my mate the italian specialist today. basicallty there are 3 variants on the integrale; 1) 8 valve. lunches bottom ends in 80k. 2) 16 valve. lunches heads at about 75k. 3) 8 valve KAT. mainly swiss issue, has 16v bottom end (the strongest one) and 8 valve head ( the bulletproof one). about 20bhp down because of the cat and chip, easy to recoup the power tho. get a swiss one with a TUV booklet and it will have been steam cleaned underneath and clear waxed every year as part of its TUV test. obviously the cars still break transmission parts, all bushes and ball joints on the car will fail and prices for parts are expensive. and italian electrics are not renowned for their greatness.  the picture above is covered in dots I put on. the yellow one on the rear quarter is where the sunroof drains finish (yes, really!) and eventually rot the rear lower corners of the valance out. not bad yet is it? well the rot continues forwards towards the cabin and rots the vertical seam that holds the inner and outer wheel houses together. it can get so's that the turrets move inwards and affect the handling. and in a case my mate remembers, the O/S rear turret snapped off completely at 120mph!  pull the boot carpets out and check carefully. the white dots are where the shells are most prone to cracking, basically down to the power. pull the rubber seals off of the door jambs and check for cracking, if they crack there you can put your hand in the front edge whilst driving and if you boot it the gap will widen to accept your hand if it does, don't back off with your hand in it (ouch!). when really bad, the car will simply pull the striker pin off of the B post and the door will part company with your car, because the door will be holding the shell together. basically check each corner of every door shut under the rubber. lastly, the white line above the front wheel. its where the hole is in the inner wing that the steering rack goes through. it cracks there and up to the drip rail. noticable when the bonnet doesn't seem to be closed when cornering, it is but because the shell twists so much the bonnet corners raise. apart from the power, cracking of the bodyshell is mostly down to 2 things. first is uprated dampers, because the "lads" don't like the softer standard ones. but the standard ones don't crack the shells. secondly, strut braces. they put the tension in the wrong places and dramatically reduce the longevity of the body. also the inegrale is the most "rung" car in europe and a front strut brace will obscure any dodgy shenanigans with the chassis numbers. if it has koni shocks or strut braces, walk away! don't buy a 16 valve or an early 8 valve as these are doomed from the word go, get an 8 valve cat car. hope you find that helpful as its taken long enough to type this out |
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May 30, 2007 18:30:29 GMT
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We seriously looked at buying one last year but came to the conclusion that you have to buy top dollar to reduce the risk of heart ache. Also if they are looked after you will not loose money.
Everyone wants Evos so if you are prepared not to have one then you will spend less cash.
Look out for Swiss import 8V evos...... nothing wrong with them except they are 8V. In fct that may be a bonus as the engines are cheaper.
Rust......rust and more rust....... check very carefully.
As everybody has said........ its one of those must own cars even if for a few months.
In fact I must have one, you can forget Ferraris, Porsche etc .... give me an Inte and I will be happy!
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pull the boot carpets out and check carefully.