vulgalour
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Oct 19, 2020 15:35:25 GMT
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The weather was ideal for a bit of painting today, so that's what I've done. Those of a nervous disposition should look away now. In some lights, the pink is really shockingly pink. In others it's more orange looking, and in others it has a grey-ish look to it. I love how much it varies depending on the light and I actually really love how obnoxious it is. What I didn't love is that the new door mirrors I bought have already gone rusty so that makes up my mind about putting the black wing mirrors back on which are still my favourite mirrors I've ever put on this car. I have the same problem with this pink as I had with some red I used a while ago in that the paint dries too fast so I haven't the working time to dress it and let it level out. I'm also out of practice and I found my technique was almost where it ought to be just as I finished the job. Never mind, I knew more than one coat would be needed so I'll just flat this all back to prep it for the second coat and improve the surface. I enjoyed doing this significantly more than spray painting and I know from experience that this paint will flat and polish quite well once done so I'm not that worried about the imperfect surfaces. The boot lid isn't done because I was limited on time and wanted to avoid anything going wrong. I wasn't sure on exact drying times and since the spoiler is what stops water getting into the boot through the fixing holes and the car lives outdoors, I chose to leave it until I have more time available and knew what to expect from the paint. I'll be able to tackle this properly with the next coat of paint. What I do love is the contrast between the stainless trim, the pink, and the satin black of the C pillars. What I'm not sure on at the moment is what to do with the engine bay. I'm considering doing the panel under the windscreen in pink, and the slam panel at the front in pink, and having the rest of the engine bay in black. I will be doing the door shuts and any other bits of the car that are visible outside of the trim, but I won't be going to the extent of repainting the floors or any other parts of the car that aren't seen. There's no point pulling it apart that much. I am happy to see the beige going away. Today's efforts was 3 hours of work and I had 4 available, 5 in a pinch. I'm not sure what time I'll have between now and my next time off to do more, so I'll just have to do it as an when. One advantage of how quick the pink dried is that no flies got stuck in it, so that's something.
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Phil H
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Oct 19, 2020 16:38:26 GMT
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As far as I'm aware, the only difference between this and the Princess engine is the sump since the Princess keeps the gearbox in there while the Marina has the more conventional kind. I shouldn't need any adaptors for connecting the clutch housing bit on the Princess, I should be able to just swap the bits off my engine and stick them on this one. I hope it's not the same as the A-series then - FWD and RWD cranks are very different. One has the flywheel bolted to its end, the other has it perched on a long taper.
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vulgalour
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Oct 19, 2020 18:13:47 GMT
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Well if it turns out that is the case I can still use the RWD engine because I've got the whole of the FWD engine for parts so I should still be able to make one good lump out of the two. Won't know until I try.
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Oct 19, 2020 18:37:47 GMT
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The paint is looking good. What type of paint did you use on this was it aerosol?
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vulgalour
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Oct 19, 2020 18:41:24 GMT
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Synthetic enamel, applied with some really nice Hamilton Perfection pure bristle brushes. Can't recommend the brushes highly enough, they're a joy to use, the paint not so much because it dries rather faster than I'd like so I'm having to relearn my technique somewhat to compensate.
I really enjoy brush painting and wanted to redo in that rather than aerosol, it's much cleaner as a job and just less stressful all round, comparatively.
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Oct 19, 2020 18:52:35 GMT
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From the pics I couldn't tell it was brush painted. I think decent brushes are a must, cheap ones tend to fall apart and leave bristles everywhere. How many coats will you be adding? Will you flat it back or in fact will it need to be?
Sorry for all the questions but I am seriously considering painting one of my cars this way.
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vulgalour
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Oct 19, 2020 19:10:11 GMT
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I don't mind you asking, if I know (or think I know) I'll answer.
Decent brushes are definitely a must. Buy the best you can afford, go for natural rather than synthetic bristles if you can, and they should last you quite a few jobs especially if you take care cleaning everything up when you're done. You can also use a gloss roller (I haven't yet with this paint, so this is just what others have said works) to apply the paint and then dress it out with a brush to smooth it and avoid orange peel.
It will probably take 2-3 coats total, if I were going over primer I'd expect 4-5 because the primer seems to soak up more paint than a keyed painted surface.
I will need to flat back what I've done to get the worst of the irregularities out of the surfaces. That said, it's worth at least keying back between coats anyway.
I learned how to do the brush painting by going on Youtube and watching videos about painting narrowboats, it was a few years ago now, but I imagine there's probably even better tutorials out there now on the type of paint, the type of brushes, and the techniques to get the best results. I believe you can spray the synthetic enamel on too, I just opted not to because I enjoy brush painting and wanting to avoid the expense and mess of spray painting.
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Oct 19, 2020 19:16:57 GMT
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What brand of synthetic is that? Most synthetic I've used dries really really slowly. Only on my phone so can really see the pictures but it's definitely pink!
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vulgalour
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Oct 19, 2020 20:32:54 GMT
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It's not any particular brand, it's just a generic synthetic enamel from a generic online paint supplier. Not the cheapest, not the most expensive, middle of the road like I usually go for. A branded one would likely have been better, but I was being budget conscious and aside the drying time, it's no worse than the red from Dacrylate I used years ago. The black I've got from the same supplier smells different and moves in a more oily way in the tin than the pink does, that's true of the red and black I had when I did the Polo, so I wonder if it's just something to do with red pigmented paint.
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Oct 20, 2020 12:47:51 GMT
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That's a bit of a change then! Looks good from here - and deffo pink. Re the engine bay, I'd hesitate to do a dark colour. A lighter colour helps with lighting when working in there, plus you'll see any leaks etc (God forbid!) that bit sooner against a light colour. I'm not saying "paint the engine by white - because race car!" but, your car, your choice as always - we're just along for the ride, so to speak.
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Oct 20, 2020 13:02:55 GMT
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so I wonder if it's just something to do with red pigmented paint. Black has a much wider array of pigments in, most of which are really ugly colors and are fairly stable. It doesn't require much to go on; bright red is particularly unstable in UV so needs a lot more bonding agents and the composition ends up different to try and prevent it from going chalky and pink.
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Last Edit: Oct 20, 2020 13:03:20 GMT by PhilA
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melle
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Oct 20, 2020 14:49:31 GMT
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Re the engine bay, I'd hesitate to do a dark colour. I agree, speaking from experience unfortunately!
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vulgalour
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I'm still grumbling to myself about this engine thing you know because while I've been watching this auction on this local engine, and having the £500 offer auto-rejected, it's made me go through all the things this engine has had.
If I go with the new engine the recommendation is to pull it apart and replace all the rubber items which doesn't save me any of the work I'd have to do on the existing engine. The two reasons for getting a new engine was convenience (which is now not convenient since I need to pull it apart before fitting anyway) and peace of mind (which I won't have because it's a complete unknown).
I looked at it another way, let's say I've got £500 in my pocket to spend either way, that would pay for a good chunk of whatever my existing engine might need, or some tools, or even both.
Over the last few weeks I've talked about this engine and it's potential issues here, and offline, and generally it comes down to only a few issues it could potentially be that's caused the oil consumption and the blown head gasket. If I'm taking the engine apart anyway, whichever route I go, I'm as well taking apart the one I've got first and using the other engine suppliers as a fall back should I need to.
Oil consumption could be down to worn/damaged valve guides, or worn piston rings. I've got a set of new piston rings I acquired some time ago just in case and new valve guides can be fitted by any number of machine shops for not a lot. I've also got the spare head which I could get tested and skimmed if need be that can go back on the car.
The block might be warped, rather than the head. If I'm pulling the engine out anyway, I can send that away to be checked and cleaned and skimmed if necessary.
The bearings might be worn out, new ones are available and could be fitted by me, or a machine shop.
Realistically, if I'm pulling an engine apart whatever I do, aren't I better off doing the one I've got? At least to get it inspected and find out just what is and isn't worn out. I'm going to have to do all the same expense and faff with a replacement engine anyway whatever I do and if it turns out my engine isn't actually all that bad inside and it is just a duff head gasket, well... I'll have a fully inspected and sorted engine for probably less outlay than buying a replacement, right?
The other thing is that the oil consumption might actually just be the leaking sump gasket, a job I've been putting off forever because it means taking the engine out to fix due to the gearbox-in-sump set up.
What I'm wondering at the moment is whether or not it actually makes more sense to buy the tools to pull the engine and have a go myself because either way, I'm going to have to pull apart an engine, or pay someone else to.
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I would absolutely go the route of buying your own tools and rebuilding (or refreshing) the existing engine. It is a known quantity and you have it now. The tools you need are not expensive - torque wrench/ piston ring compressor/ plastigauge etc.
With both engines i have done, it was worth having an engine shop boil the block and measure everything. In one case they also bored out the pistons. Didn't cost a lot and gave me a great starting point. I'd say go for it!
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Oct 22, 2020 10:03:09 GMT
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If you don't need the car back on the road urgently I would also go for the original engine, to get to the stage where you have to start spending money (or decide to get another engine) will cost very little (Basically whatever you have to pay the machine shop to measure it), and you can do virtually all the work inside over the winter.
Building a more or less standard engine is not that difficult either
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Oct 22, 2020 10:55:58 GMT
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I’m going to go against the flow.
I suspect that there is a flaw in the original engine that’s been the root cause of the long term running issues. Personally, I’d buy another engine rather than continuing to throw/waste resources on the one that’s been trouble pretty much since you started.
If the new engine is genuinely new, then provided it’s not been stored in a swamp I’d also take a chance on just fitting it, and not worry about stripping it right down. Obviously, some careful checks to make sure that nothing has stuck or seized, but I’d not worry overmuch about changing anything other than front and rear crank seals.
I’d also consider a 1.8 K-series swap, or just pulling the plug entirely and concentrating on the Lanchester.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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melle
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Oct 22, 2020 11:14:01 GMT
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Yes, but of unknown quality apparently...
I would go with the new engine and just stick it in the car and see what happens, but that's pretty irrelevant since I'm not you.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:00:05 GMT
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I'm also in the camp of swap the engine in as it is, the benefit is that you will have the shortest potential route to a running driving car again.
However I am also not you, just some rando on t'internet, so whatever you choose, it's your choice and I for one will be interested either way.
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vulgalour
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Oct 22, 2020 14:05:25 GMT
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Dropping the new engine in did seem like the perfect quick solution initially but after some thinking, it really isn't. Because I've no idea how the new engines have been stored, or what they're like inside, they're going to need to be pulled apart and checked before I can rely on them for regular use.
Since pulling an engine apart is on the cards anyway, I'm as well pulling apart the one I've got and, at the very least, finding out what's actually wrong with it. If it really is something as simple as a bad head gasket then putting a new engine in would be silly. If the existing engine is properly borked for some reason well, I'll know how and why, and then I can get a new engine.
At the end of it, either way, I'm doing an engine rebuild (which I may have mentioned once or twice I really don't want to do) and should have a properly sorted engine at the end of it, which will be nice.
As it happens, if I had deeper pockets, I would just give this to a reputable professional and have them just sort it out whatever the cost so I didn't have to worry about it. But then if I had that sort of money I'd probably have a different car anyway.
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Oct 22, 2020 15:36:17 GMT
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Imagine rebuilding it and then it goes again? I would swap it personally. Not a massive o series fan. Seem to recall sherpa vans having a bit of a name. Would a B fit?
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