vulgalour
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^that's mostly what we've been doing today, as you can see in this update \/ With the success of the Rover passing its MoT yesterday, today attention turned again to the Princess to see if we could get to the bottom of this fuse-blowing problem. First, I got some new screws for the rear speakers (originally front door speakers) just so they weren't rattling around. Mike then patiently tried to help me understand how the wiring was doing what it was doing. I struggled with that, managed to accidentally pull a spade connector off one of the fog light wires when disconnecting them and eventually we plodded through until we found the fault. Not a fun job, and not, as it happens, anything to do with the fog lights. The issue was definitely in here. After figuring out what wires went where and did what we had it down to 3 light bulbs and the front cigar lighter as being the source of the problem. It seemed to take forever getting to this point and for a time we did think it was to do with the wiring to, or the black plug itself on the main dashboard loom connection piece. It wasn't. In the end it came back to the cigar lighter shorting out internally. I did have another that had done this and replaced it with this one which had been fine until we were preparing the car for MoT. Thankfully, that's an easy replacement and I wanted to upgrade the two cigar lighters in the car at some point anyway so we'll do that now and eliminate two issues. Halfords had generic ones at something like £4 each that are suitable for Sat Nav connectors which is all I use the cigar lighter for. I also picked up a windscreen tint since I spotted it and remembered how unpleasant the untinted glass in the Princess can be on a really sunny day. Hooray for Mike's Halfords discount card too, I'm not going to grumble at the additional 15% discount on these bits. Tomorrow, hopefully, we'll have the car back in one piece and ready for final MoT checks just to catch anything that's been missed. Once I've shuffled funds around I'll be looking at MoT and insurance options, sadly not VED exempt for a few more years yet.
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vulgalour
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Mar 10, 2017 18:26:07 GMT
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Another day of mixed results with the old lump today. Mike got both of the new cigarette lighters wired in and they work a treat, quite nice that they have green illumination rings to match the dashboard. I've managed to misplace one of the dials for my old Panasonic radio-casette, it works well enough and you can just swap the one dial onto whichever post you want to operate. I've got my eye on a couple of period replacement units, they're just all very expensive for what they are. Happily got the passenger front seat and the dashboard lower half reinstalled. Today is the first day the car has felt genuinely close to going for a new MoT, I feel like we've crossed a bridge in terms of the work put in and now it's just desnagging. Tested the dashboard and things were working quite well too... ...were... past tense. The ignition switch I'd repaired recently has failed completely. This is why the car won't idle. I've tried to repair it but it's completely dead. Most annoying of all is that the spare switch I've got from a 1979 car is different and won't fit, the piece the key goes into on it is a completely different design and 10mm smaller diameter. There are other minor jobs that can be done without the switch, it just stops me driving the car since I'm disinclined to hotwire it just so I can wobble around the yard until the MoT is booked.
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Mar 10, 2017 22:04:29 GMT
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As thjat is just a basic rotary switch can you get a new landrover one? You might have to fix it on to the key part with JB weld or similar but it will last for years then.
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vulgalour
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Mar 10, 2017 22:12:36 GMT
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There are options. Looks like the same switch was used in Mini, Metro, Maestro and Montego. It's possible it was also used in Ambassador and there's someone in the club breaking one at the moment. Trouble is, mine has internally collapsed, looks like metal fatigue on the brass spades as a couple of them have broken off and are jamming the mech but not in a way that will allow it to be repaired.
The land rover ones are a different fitment and while I could make one fit, if I can get the same type as I've got originally it's just plug and play, which I'd prefer. I hadn't even realised BL had bothered to change the switch until I took my spare column apart, they also changed the stalks and which side the horn is on for reasons known only to BL.
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Mar 10, 2017 22:32:17 GMT
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Mar 10, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
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Off topic but I love the seatbelt sockets. I think my Dads Morris Ital had similar ones.
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vulgalour
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blackpopracing: Got the first one on the watch list, found that earlier tonight. It's my back-up plan. The other two are, I think, Land Rover ones and the diameter of the plastic collar is actually larger than the diameter of my switch so would have to be trimmed to fit, which is annoying. jimspolicev8sd1: Probably the same ones. Ital and Princess were on sale at the same time, just. My dad's second car was a bright yellow Morris Ital estate. They're a proper Dad car.
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Rob
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have a look at triumph 2000/3500 ones. look same/similar
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vulgalour
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Mar 12, 2017 16:43:13 GMT
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Peugeot 206 is now up for sale. No fuss, no drama, I have reached a point where the running problem is either the valves or the mechanical timing and both require me to remove the head or engine from the car, which I'm not prepared to do again. So, I'm calling it quits and moving it on. I've learned a lot on the little green car and I know some of you will be quite disappointed but it's a relief to have made the decision to sell the project on which strengthens my belief it is the right thing for me to do with it. I can put the proceeds of the sale towards the Princess and the Rover instead and spread myself less thin. Please, do not suggest solutions to the Renault's problems. I appreciate the help and advice offered but it is now time for us to go our separate ways. I'd rather do this while I feel comfortable and content to do so than when I've lost my temper chasing a problem I don't understand. You can find the advert here: retrorides.proboards.com/thread/196234/1975-renault-600ono-stockton-tees It's also on the brown forum but I can't link you to that because of RR's censor filter thing wrecking the links.
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thebaron
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Mar 12, 2017 20:16:46 GMT
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Makes sense. GLWTS
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glenanderson
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Mar 12, 2017 22:16:52 GMT
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Indeed. You've been spreading yourself too thin.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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qwerty
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I can't say I'm not slightly disappointed you're selling the Renault as I thought it really suited you. However I really get where you're coming from by doing so. A project like that can get very oppressive and sometimes the best thing to do is cut ties. Old cars are supposed to be a fun hobby, not a hard slog.
Tom
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Mar 13, 2017 13:11:27 GMT
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2 project cars = 1 too many, good choice.
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Mar 13, 2017 15:18:51 GMT
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Hell I've got one and a daily and I struggle to keep up with the daily ATM. I think you've made the right choice, especially with the Princess being so close to an MoT now, less worry and more money
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vulgalour
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Mar 13, 2017 17:40:28 GMT
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Thank you for understanding, chaps, I appreciate that. Princess update shortly, now that it's running again.
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vulgalour
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Mar 13, 2017 18:17:13 GMT
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With the Renault no longer preying on my mind I can switch my attention to the Princess properly. It's a huge relief. Didn't have a great deal of time spare today so I was focusing on establishing a pre-MoT desnagging list by going through the car and finding out what does and doesn't work. I've ordered a new ignition switch of the correct type and until that arrives I'm following the suggestion of using the spare switch and a screwdriver. This worked perfectly and means I can check through everything and find if anything is amiss. Thank you to whoever it was that suggested it. Mike and I then were a bit perplexed as the car wouldn't idle on more than what sounded like 2 cylinders. We did all the usual checks for fuel and spark and whatnot and it was okay. Checked the carb and even put more fuel in it in case it had already gobbled through the last can I put in but that wasn't it. Finally, we decided to fit the brand new NGK spark plugs I'd bought for when the car returned to the road, on pulling the old ones it was fairly obvious why they weren't working. Three are Bosch and one is a Champion and from memory, I think the Champion came out of my brother's Applause when it had running issues, I just never got around to sorting this out. New plugs in, all the usual suspects checked such as points gap, and the car sprang to life very willingly indeed and idled quite well. It is obvious the carb needs fine tuning to get things spot on and then I noticed the overflow was weeing petrol out like a racehorse so we turned it off and I've added 'rebuild carb' to the desnag list. It likely just needs a clean out or the float adjusting slightly, it won't be a serious issue. Now attention could be turned to the various functions. Mike resoldered the missing tabs on the passenger door speaker so that we could get balanced sound out of the radio-cassette which now works well. I'm after a radio-cassette of 80s or very early 90s vintage with a green display to match the dash, nothing too fancy or high end, just something on a par with what's in. I'm not in a rush for this as the current one works well and sounds nice enough, it just doesn't match the interior that well. Interior light is now working reliably rather than when it feels like it. At the front, all lights function as they should. Imagine the indicators on fully, I was very good at pressing the camera button when the indicators were off, not when they were on. All headlight functions are normal and the horn is instantaneous since having the relay wired in. Obviously I can't photograph the horn going honk so you have to imagine that. At the back, all the lights are now working with the exception of one reversing light and the brake lights. Suspected dodgy bulb for the former and possibly dislodged switch for the latter. The brakes were working properly, they're not now. I couldn't get a photograph of the indicators in action, I tried a dozen times and just couldn't press the button at the right moment, so imagine those illuminated too. Almost there. I didn't have time to get the car up in the air to have a wiggle of things underneath. I'm hoping to have enough time this week to get through the last of the niggles and be MoT ready. My updated list is like this: MoT list update: > tune the carb > identify insecure CV joint fail from previous MoT > identify why brake lights aren't coming on with pedal > exhaust downpipe/manifold joint is blowing > exhaust stay needs replacing > replace hazard relay > clean carburettor to resolve excessive overflow > replace fuel gauge (put the original one back in, replacement one broken, original wasn't) > identify why passenger side reversing light not working > coolant flush and change > trim/bend exhaust pipe tip so it clears fog light better > make hazard switch work - DONE> identify why fuse #5 is blowing - DONE> connect fog lights - DONE> connect number plate lights - DONE> stick number plates on - DONE> make the indicator lights work - DONE> pump up the suspension - DONE> fit the new tyres - DONE> fit a new washer jet pump - DONE> find the loose steering component - DONE
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2017 18:21:15 GMT by vulgalour
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Mar 13, 2017 18:27:24 GMT
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curse word happens, even the best jugglers can only keep so many balls in the air at one time, take it as schooling in repairing obscure problems, now move on.
I often think the cars that old French engineers sent to Britain were a special design just to wind up Brits, how come Jolly Jacques Motors can fix the FDM models with a rusty snail hook and garlic press in an abandoned 2nd WW nissan hut on a dirt floor with only an Obelix to lift the heavy bits, and what we got required a dozen possible parts for each assembly that then needed a gynecologist to fit using a kit of special tools as big as a Biffa bin?
But that's why we love the crazy things. Take every French car as a challenge, but be prepared for reach a point when only a Gallic shrug and a "phhhnuue" whilst walking away, is the appropriate action to take.
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:19:58 GMT
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2 project cars = 1 too many, good choice. that was meant to say if you ask my wife 3 project cars is 4 too many this is 40
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vulgalour
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Mar 15, 2017 19:41:44 GMT
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accord83: I am inclined to agree! French cars in France don't seem to cause half as much of a headache as they do elsewhere. I still love them though, I'll have another in the future I have no doubt. Another BX estate is a very appealing proposition to me if I can find a Mk1 petrol with no rot. It'll probably be parked up right next to a big pile of poor quality wobbly children's play pony poop. --- A little more progress made again today in my couple of spare hours before work. Gradually ticking items off the MoT desnag list and discovering a few new items along the way, as is to be expected really. I wanted to tackle the last item on my old MoT failure sheet which was the insecure CV joint, something that didn't make any sense. On getting the car up in the air the first thing I actually noticed was that the centre exhaust hanger has failed pretty spectacularly so I'll have to order some replacement bits for that, pretty sure it's a generic component for this. Then, so I could see what I was doing, scrubbed some degreaser on the worst of the gunge on the gearbox and lower engine before Mike volunteered to jetwash it all off. Came up pretty well really, a more dedicated scrub should see it looking very presentable. The advisory was on the driver's side and now that I could see the boots and clips I could check. There's absolutely nothing loose here, or missing, or damaged. Even the steering rack boots are good. I can only think a mistake was made on the test. Everything checks out as being completely normal and in rude health so I'm considering that item done. I even checked the passenger side, just to be extra sure. Then I had to take the dashboard out. Again. Thrice, in fact. The first time was to replace the fuel gauge with the one I knew worked from the old dashboard. In the new instrument cluster it too appears not to be working, there should be enough fuel in the tank for it to register in the red but the needle isn't even moving. I'm going to try and fault find this before reinstalling the dashboard again. Then I had to remove the dash a second time because I'd dislodged one of the fan plugs on reassembly. The third time the dashboard was removed was because the seatbelt warning light bulb blew, it was an old bulb so that's probably why, and some new ones have been ordered. It's annoying that the dash has to come out to replace this bulb, there's no other way to do it as far as I can tell. Getting quite good at taking this dashboard in and out now. The NOS ignition switch arrived today too. The loom plug was different and the fixing screw wouldn't bite into the plastic casing properly so there was some modification required. Mike fitted the Princess loom plug and removed the extra wires from the new switch and then helped me change the old plastic cap onto the new internals. Bit of a faff, but at least I have an ignition switch that now works beautifully well. It works so nicely, in fact, I'm more convinced than ever that the supposed 74k or so miles this car has done is a complete fabrication. The carburettor problem was also identified and it's a problem the car has had before which is that of a sticking float. Internally, the carb is lovely and clean, the new parts I put in a few years ago still look new and once I'd emptied out the fuel and reassembled the carb the car starts on the key and runs quite well. We're still to set the carb up as it's idling a little high and possibly running a little rich still but I'd run out of time because of the dashboard fiasco so it will have to wait for another day. Still, for all it was annoying to take the dash in and out so many times, I did get some items off the list and the items added are minor service items for the most part, such as fluid changing. MoT list update: > clean carburettor to resolve excessive overflow - DONE> tune the carb > identify why brake lights aren't coming on with pedal > identify why passenger side reversing light not working > replace hazard relay (ordered) > replace fuel gauge - DONE> identify why fuel gauge not registering (potentially just not enough fuel in tank) > coolant flush and change > exhaust downpipe/manifold joint is blowing > exhaust stay needs replacing > exhaust centre hangers need replacing > trim/bend exhaust pipe tip so it clears fog light better > bleed the brakes > identify insecure CV joint fail from previous MoT - DONE> make hazard switch work - DONE> identify why fuse #5 is blowing - DONE> connect fog lights - DONE> connect number plate lights - DONE> stick number plates on - DONE> make the indicator lights work - DONE> pump up the suspension - DONE> fit the new tyres - DONE> fit a new washer jet pump - DONE> find the loose steering component - DONE
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vulgalour
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Mar 16, 2017 17:47:36 GMT
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I'll start with the list, since I've now officially cleared off all the items on the old failed MoT. All issues now are new ones mostly from the car being unused for a few years. Project List: FAULT FINDING> identify why brake lights aren't coming on with pedal > identify why passenger side reversing light not working > replace hazard relay - DONE> identify why hazards only work on one side > replace fuel gauge - DONE> identify why fuel gauge not registering - potentially stuck sender as fuel gauge was a known working replacement and is getting power > identify why temperature gauge not registering - potentially failed temperature sender as temperature gauge was a known working replacement and is getting power MECHANICAL & SERVICING> clean carburettor to resolve excessive overflow - DONE> tune the carb > coolant flush and change > exhaust downpipe/manifold joint is blowing > exhaust stay needs replacing > exhaust centre hangers need replacing (ordered) > trim/bend exhaust pipe tip so it clears fog light better > bleed the brakes > identify insecure CV joint fail from previous MoT - DONEI wasn't going to go in today and fiddle with the car but I'd already done what jobs I needed to and was kicking my heels when the hazard relay arrived so... off I toddled for an hour or so to see what I could get through. First up was replacing the seatbelt warning light since the long-eared bulbs had arrived. With one of those fitted the light now comes on like it should and extinguishes when the seatbelts are plugged in. A small job. It also highlighted that the seatbelts could do with a squirt of furniture polish, all the dust from storage has made them quite sluggish where they used to zip back quite readily. After that, it was a case of trying to find out why the fuel gauge and temperature gauge appeared to be doing nothing. Both gauges are known good ones so replacement was ruled out for now. On checking for power, both are receiving it. There is enough fuel in the tank for it register and I'm wondering if either the sender in the tank has failed/got stuck or if I've just been really unlucky and this fuel gauge has also failed. Tested the temperature sender in a cup of boiling water and that wasn't giving a reading on the gauge so again that's either a fault sender or a failed gauge. This one is going to be troublesome to sort because I have to identify what has failed and correct it. Every time I consider putting the dashboard in I go through the functions to check everything is working to hopefully prevent me having to take it out again for something I missed. This time I already knew there was an issue with fuel and temperature - and I'm not driving this car until I *know* they work, they're quite important although not needed for MoT - and when I started going through things the fog lights had stopped working. Two of the dial illuminations had also stopped working. A quick test and it was discovered a bulb had blown and replacing it meant the fog lights worked again. With that sorted, the new hazard flasher relay could go in. As far as I know this is the same as the one I removed (and have misplaced) that was presumed dead when the hazards stopped working along with lots of other things. Trouble is, now that I've fitted this the indicators aren't right. With or without this relay, the regular indicators all flash just a little too rapidly and are illuminated for too short a spell, not as fast as if a bulb had blown, but too fast to be right. They were perfectly fine on the same relay so I don't know what's happened there. When you use the hazards, they illuminate at the proper brightness and slightly slower than normal but only on the passenger side, regardless of what you do with any other function. I am utterly baffled by this. It needs fixing before the MoT can be attempted, I just don't know where to begin on this one. Here's the relay fitted, it's a massive thing. For now I'm leaving the dashboard out until I can figure the indicator problem out. I might need to buy a couple of upgraded relays, I'm not sure. Don't you just love auto electrics?
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2017 17:48:06 GMT by vulgalour
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