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May 16, 2007 15:10:35 GMT
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diesel van engnes which is best in the van/type/based vehicles, which have the best reputationtransit or fiat ducato or ldv or mecades sprinter (excuse my spelling) etc etc etc
diesel or diesel turbo?
what has the best power for the money,
which is cheapest to run/maintain
a friend had a 2.5 transit van & towed his pug 205 up to bogg brothers for work to be done on his car but it struggled on the steeper hills, down into 1st gear sometimes, it made the journey feel like a trek & was tiresome,whereas when he picked the car up after work was done he used a landy 3.5 v8 petrol which used the juice but it was a pleasure, i'm after the best diesel though, sorry for so many questions all i do appreciate any info comments through experiance etc etc
cheers all
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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May 16, 2007 15:52:21 GMT
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Go for a LDV, cheap, reliable, and BRITISH!
I wouldnt go for a Transit, all the ones i see, seem to be rusty. I ssen a V plate one today which was covered in rust.
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May 16, 2007 16:02:46 GMT
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what about one of the VW diesel vans, VW diesels get raved about all the time.
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May 16, 2007 16:31:10 GMT
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Pug/citroen boxer fiat ducato 2.5 turbo diesel,they make them in to ambulances so they must have some poke.
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May 16, 2007 16:35:12 GMT
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Mercedes Sprinter mit turdblowa. I used to kick the ar$e of Transit drivers in the old traffic light GP, and quite a few rep-mobiles too! I understand newer Transits are pretty quick now though.
How old are we talking? The Sprinters I used to drive were on an X-plate or there abouts.
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RetroMat
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May 16, 2007 16:39:46 GMT
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Go for a LDV, cheap, reliable, and BRITISH! I wouldnt go for a Transit, all the ones I see, seem to be rusty. I ssen a V plate one today which was covered in rust. don't LDV's use transit engines? i've always considered transits to be British although i don't think the new one is made here anymore. My mum works for a charity which used a brand new LDV minibus which they had no end of problems with, in the end they swapped it for a transit which has been fine. |
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May 16, 2007 16:57:57 GMT
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Go for a LDV, cheap, reliable, and BRITISH! I wouldnt go for a Transit, all the ones I see, seem to be rusty. I ssen a V plate one today which was covered in rust. don't LDV's use transit engines? i've always considered transits to be British although I don't think the new one is made here anymore. My mum works for a charity which used a brand new LDV minibus which they had no end of problems with, in the end they swapped it for a transit which has been fine. Trannys are still built at Southampton, except for the Connect, which is built in Turkey. media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=21186LDV is now owned by a Russian company called GAZ, who also built the Volga car, but all LDV production is still in the UK. |
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Last Edit: May 16, 2007 16:59:58 GMT by anthonyg
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May 16, 2007 17:17:41 GMT
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Sprinter, every time. Our old S-plated 312 (2.9 litre five-cyl turbodiesel) at work was pensioned off at 352,000m, and had never had the head off. Even at that mileage it would sit there at 85 all day and return 28mpg. The only major component that was replaced was the gearbox at 300k...and even then it didn't actually break, it was just worn out. We don't need a van as much these days, so we replaced it with an 04-plated 311 which has the smaller four-cylinder lump and dash-mounted gearchange. That accelerates like fury, and will max out in 5th (an indicated 110) wherever legal (ahem). Transits and LDV's?? keep em.  |
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Last Edit: May 16, 2007 17:18:19 GMT by briandamaged
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May 16, 2007 17:31:31 GMT
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Depends a lot on price year and age and what you want it for.
Merc sprinters are good
Fiat/Pug/citroens ducato are good but a bit of a pig to work on.
Fiat/Pug/citroen Despatch are good but the next size down
Transits can vary a lot with the body type.
An NA diesel engine in a LWB high top twin wheel transit will always struggle. The same engine in a short wheel base single wheel can be pretty nippy.
The turbo diesels are much better but again vary as to what power output you go for.
Might be a boring choice but for me if it was going to be used for towing I would choose a modern LWB transit turbo diesel.
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May 16, 2007 18:51:28 GMT
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i'm thinking of vehicles around the 2002/3 newest but the older tat is going to be the more likely choice very very l8 90's early 2000 but i'll go on service history recipts & overall condition, the tranny & ldv are ppealing at the moment due to the small cab size but they are a bit slow, did ldv have a turbo diesel or are they all 2.5 inj, at the end of the day what i'll be buying will have done WORK! so i wanna go for long term reputation, cheap to repair & run & best power per £, a turbo diesel appeals de to being able to up the boost a little & add a bigger better 2nd hand intercooler! i have bits like this knocking about, mpg counts for alot to
it'll defo be long wheel base!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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gearoil
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May 16, 2007 18:54:48 GMT
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Sprinter by name, Sprinter by nature! Had a 311 on a '03 plate and could push over the ton fully loaded. And nicely catchable back end too...  Was a sad day we swapped to VW's. Running two VW LT35 109's now, mine is sh#te, flat as a fart, the other is a flyer.  Same age and mileage too. Whats that all about? VW did a diagnostic on it when it was in for service and didnt find anything, the reply was 'some are better than others mate' Should be plenty of Sprinters that have hit the scenery to rob a lump from.  |
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May 16, 2007 19:59:07 GMT
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go for a Transit. the Sprinter parts is expense
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May 16, 2007 21:14:26 GMT
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Transit, ideally turbo diesel. Mercs are good though (mmm, 2.9 lovely) and Iveco Dailys go like sh*t off a shovel but will break down every twenty two point six yards and randomley set fire to themselves.
LDV (pre Ford engine) too slow (though reliable), Fiat? Don't go there.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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May 16, 2007 21:26:20 GMT
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Mercedes vans seem to rust really badly, even newish ones. What's your budget? I'd be tempted by a Transporter T4, many of them have that brilliant-sounding 5-cylinder 2.4 turbo-diesel and they're the most car-like to drive of the bigger vans.
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Last Edit: May 16, 2007 21:27:39 GMT by briandamaged
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May 16, 2007 21:28:15 GMT
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I thought I'd add my 2p......
Merc Vito . I run two a 53 plate old shape petrol 113 with LPG, and a 06 109CDI diesel both are excellent although the 53 plate wouldn't good if just petrol. kicks VW/FORD bottoms.
Sprinters rock by the way ( although to big for me)
James
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May 17, 2007 22:17:49 GMT
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so overall at the mo, the transit seems best for the money! repairs & parts prices! & the ldv uses the tranny motors too! can the later tdi engines be pt in a earlier shell if for instance the transit banana engine blew up or smoked bad!
mercs i seem to hear blow headgaskets! that seems common & i presume pricey to have fixed!
on cars i've found fiat stuff cheap on price for parts & labour but don't know with the ducato vans, anyone have any idea experiance, i'm not a fiat fan though i admit, they seem a bit curse word in there build quality of interiours but exteriours seem ok!
to me if the tranny engine is in the ldv aswell they cant be bad if you have a good one! what are the probs ppl have had common faults
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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tigran
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May 17, 2007 22:20:23 GMT
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Drove the fiat ducato thingamabob in germany for work - the 2.8JTD engined ones - daaamn they hauled ass.
That is all.
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1964 Rover P5 i6
1987 BMW 525e - The Rusty Streak
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May 17, 2007 22:30:19 GMT
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don't get an ldv they are such a depressing place to be . horrible wind noise, uncomfortable seats. engine noise seems to invade the cab. yuck.
reanult traffic is where its at.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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The other thing about LDV's (in my experience) is that they are not nailed together as well as others (Transit and Merc for example). Older 2.4 diesel VW's had a habit of cracking the heads and the chances of finding a second hand one are pretty much zilch. The Transit's big key point (besides reliabilty) is that you can get parts for them just about anywhere. I do keep hearing bad things about the newer shaped ones (from about 'X' reg onwards) varying from sealed unit fuel pumps that go at a grand a time, gearbox problems and people saying after about 150k the vans are knackered. VW and Sprinter share the same platform now apparantly so maybe brand loyalty is the key?
The new Master is a lovely tool all told and they make some juicy engined models too. Still recommend the Transit though and if your budget is limited maybe an old 309/412 series Merc.
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