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Nathan Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 5,650 Club RR Member Number: 1	Water Haze thingy Nathan @bgtmidget7476 Club Retro Rides Member 1
	May 15, 2007 8:33:16 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Morning Chaps. Got a quick question for you, a friend of mine came around last night with some contraption. It was branded a Wizards of NOS thingy and basically its a alloy container, with some sort of pump inside and 2 nozels. Now the old boy said its designed to spray water haze into the inlet to cool it down, and thus give you better MPG, now this is excellent as the MGB gets about 15mpg on its current setup. So he said they have been around for years, Second world war infact on fighter planes. My question is has anyone had experience with them/ are they any good. Its going for free so I may as well fit it. Pics to follow.
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akku Probably posted too much Posts: 15,880	Water Haze thingy akku @alistairk
	May 15, 2007 8:37:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Aquamist was a brand doing these for some years I remember, no idea if they are still going. They effectiveness of normall aspirated cars is debateable, I expect much debate to follow. I have no personal experiance so I'll leave them to it. On a turbocharged car they work well though. Very well. Wizard of NOS also do an intercooler spray using Nitrous which effects a greater temperature drop than spraying water does.
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rmad global admin Posts: 18,616	Water Haze thingy rmad @rmad
	May 15, 2007 8:42:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	;D


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akku Probably posted too much Posts: 15,880	Water Haze thingy akku @alistairk
	May 15, 2007 8:48:50 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Not tried that but apparently rather nice. Like red bull but sweeter.
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bstardchild Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 14,965 Club RR Member Number: 71	Water Haze thingy bstardchild @bstardchild Club Retro Rides Member 71
	May 15, 2007 10:43:52 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	bgtmidget7476 said: Morning Chaps. Got a quick question for you, a friend of mine came around last night with some contraption. It was branded a Wizards of NOS thingy and basically its a alloy container, with some sort of pump inside and 2 nozels. Now the old boy said its designed to spray water haze into the inlet to cool it down, and thus give you better MPG, now this is excellent as the MGB gets about 15mpg on its current setup. I think either you have - lead feet or - A problem with fueling/ign or set up


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Deleted Posts: 0	Water Haze thingyDeleted @Deleted
	May 15, 2007 10:48:12 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	A few things with water injection as we've worked on this in the pulsejet world... Yes it does cool the charge down making it more dense but it also makes the charge less likely to want to burn. However this increases the effective octane so you can compress it a lot harder without it pre-igniting, hence it works well with turbo cars. The other way to look at it is water when evaporated from liquid increases in volume by 10 times and soaks up heat energy so if you directly inject it into the bore on combustion you massively increase the efficiency. Injecting it in the right place on a pulsejet increases the efficiency by 50% or more and you can pump in a LOT of water compared to fuel.


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Lewis Posted hell of a lot Got 8 cylinders, uses 'em all... Posts: 7,625	Water Haze thingy Lewis @lewisk78
	May 15, 2007 11:23:18 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Water injection is designed to prevent detonation by slowing the burn - decreasing power. However, it gets combustion chamber temps down to a sensible enough temperature and prevents detonation enough that you could whack up the boost a few more levels and possibly generate more power than you could have otherwise. >edit< What he said ^^ ;D And it does sound like your MGB is running a bit off setting - Single 45 isn't it? I don't remember WON ever selling water injection kits, just nitrous. I might be a bit young to remember it though The Aquamist site kind of says it all: 16. I have a normally aspirated car, would water injection help me to obtain more power? No, in general. Unless you decided to increase the compression ratio, more advance ignition or run lower fuel grade than recommended by the manufacturer. 18. My normally aspirated car suffers with sever detonation problem under heavy load such as towing, would water injection cure my detonation problem? Yes, water injection will minimise the onset of detonation or even totally eliminates it, but you don't necessarily need to use the Aquamist system as high water pressure is not required, a ten-dollar washer pump and a water jet will work jet as well. Pay careful attention to prevent water from siphoning through the water pump during idle, a similar inline checkvalve will do the job. Talk about selling your product, lol! 19. Would water injection help to improve the economy of my normally aspirated car, ie more mpg? Water injection will enable you to run more ignition advance so you can achieve MBT timing (Maximum brake torque) thus improve the efficiency of the engine, mpg will increase as a result but you need to carry a lot of water on board !
	Last Edit: May 15, 2007 11:23:54 GMT by Lewis

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Nathan Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 5,650 Club RR Member Number: 1	Water Haze thingy Nathan @bgtmidget7476 Club Retro Rides Member 1
	May 15, 2007 11:47:54 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	The car is running a single DCOE 45, the MPG is not really a issue as its only used on weekends. However its been tuned on plenty of occations generally when a new component was fitted, the last one being the stage 3 head, and the lumpy cam. So i would presume its ok, apart from firing on 3 as of last weekend . As for the Kit I think I may as well flog it, I was not going to fit it to gain power just really due to it being free I guess. I think looking at it the owner stuck that sticker on, as it does not look standard. Cheers for you help guys. P.S. My right foot is made from lead
	Last Edit: May 15, 2007 11:48:40 GMT by Nathan 1976 MG Midget Sprint - 1974 Turbo MX5 powered BGT retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=35121&page=3 www.gfbdevelopments.co.uk/

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Mr K Posted a lot Posts: 2,993	Water Haze thingy Mr K @nickyboi
	May 15, 2007 11:50:44 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	it was used on supercharged aircraft in ww2... why not just pour some mountain spring water into your fuel tank; you have to be careful using tap water if you live in a hard water area or you may have trouble with your carburettor furring up, alternativly, add a calgon tablet too and i find Evian to be beat anything my tap has to offer.


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Nathan Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 5,650 Club RR Member Number: 1	Water Haze thingy Nathan @bgtmidget7476 Club Retro Rides Member 1
	May 15, 2007 11:51:43 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	right. Ah well e-gay it goes, would perfer it to go on a motor which it would benefit from TBH, and charging mine is a long way off now. ;D
	Last Edit: May 15, 2007 11:54:48 GMT by Nathan 1976 MG Midget Sprint - 1974 Turbo MX5 powered BGT retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=35121&page=3 www.gfbdevelopments.co.uk/

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Deleted Posts: 0	Water Haze thingyDeleted @Deleted
	May 16, 2007 14:44:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	If you want to give me a list of your jets and the displacement I can check them on my list. I need: Choke size Main jet Emulsion tube Air jet Idle jet Pump jet Aux venturi (not critical) Yours might be a little different than from the book but I'll be able to tell you if one is wildly out, example and most likely culprit being the throttle pump jet...


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Lewis Posted hell of a lot Got 8 cylinders, uses 'em all... Posts: 7,625	Water Haze thingy Lewis @lewisk78
	May 16, 2007 14:46:21 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	I'll give you 20 quid for it ;D


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