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Apr 18, 2007 10:42:26 GMT
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i wouldn't say that the 80's/90's cal-lookers were massively different to the trad cal lookers, more the B289 was a take on cal-look. The B289 cars were often much more custom influenced. Even during that period there were still 'traditional' cal-lookers being built - Tom Silsburys oval is an ideal example, and looks as fresh today as it did then. For those interested check www.b289.com, and take a view on the forum. They will also be having a lineup at RR07, so you can actually see some of these cars yourself. SL, i wouldnt say that there are rules to cal-look or resto-cal. There are 'guidelines' people follow (just like with any 'look' or 'scene'), but some of the best resto-cals and cal-lookers have been built by people deviating from the norm. For the imp ... I'm starting to think chromed superlites would work. Theres a brown bug on chrome empi 8's which looks the business. Or as Larry said, go the stock rim route with some whitewalls.
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Apr 18, 2007 10:42:54 GMT
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deffo go with the peep mirror: what about shiney steels? (well, shiney centres) ala eary sprites? RoB
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Apr 18, 2007 11:25:52 GMT
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I’m personally not so keen on the Resto-Cal thing as it seems too dependent on Rules. For the most part it’s not about what enhances a car’s styling, but simply having The Right Bits. Or am I being cynical?...... As Keefy said, they're 'guidelines' rather than rules. The hardcore Resto Cal boys like Restowagen are quite strict on what constitutes a Resto Cal. Resto cals are essentially a stock VW which is as it left the factory, but lowered front and rear with a few choice accessories and a set of chrome alloys, or steelies. A lot of it is all about the stance. A Resto Cal can be turned back to a factory stock VW in less than a day. If you put on custom touches, then your car becomes a Resto Custom. Its all very pigeonholed and is off putting for a lot of people. If the guidelines weren't present, then any man and his dog with a lowered car could call their car Resto Cal. Its the same with old skool Cal Look - they have their rules, and lately even some Der Kleiner Panzers' cars are wearing the chrome body trim. All these guidelines are open to interpretation and are not set in stone. The German Folks have argued that Resto Cal cannot be applied to non-vw's . If you apply the Resto Cal guidelines to a non aircooled VW, it becomes a Resto Custom. This was debated in some detail on Restowagen and I thought it was a bit hypocritical in some ways 'cos the GFK have just accepted a Porsche 356 into the German Folks Klub. Note the narrowed beam! Keith, I disagree that back to '89 /essex cal lookers weren't that different to old Skool cal lookers. The only thing they had in common were they were dechromed. 90's Cal Lookers had pastel colours, colour coded bumpers, were lowered all round with non-stock interiors, splatter effect or chrome engines, etc. You're right that there were some old skool cal lookers around at that time like Bernie Newbury's coral red (soon to become blue) NET 807. Tom Silsbury's car was originally a Resto Cal when it was debuted and it became a Cal Looker towards the end of the 90's. I've got pics of it in its Resto Cal guise somewhere - it was on fully polished Fuchs before they detailed them. This is the brown bug which Keith was talking about..
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Dig it up, slam it and drive it.
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Apr 18, 2007 11:38:11 GMT
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Rules? Guidelines? Do the secret scene plice come round and cut your goolies off if your car is fitted with the wrong detailling? Sounds a little bit harsh - surely a modified car should be an expression of your own personality? I've always found the VW scene a little odd - I've owned Golfs for a few years on and off now and some guys are great but others seem a little too obsessed with what everyone else is doing. <Please note: above comment is an observation not a dig at anyone here!! >
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Apr 18, 2007 11:48:10 GMT
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Crikey. Do the people who set/debate these 'guidelines' also run the EU?!
Fascinating stuff, and I'm glad you didn't take my comment as a dig (which it certainly wasn't meant to be), I'm just curious. It all seems very complicated for what's meant to be just having fun with old cars.
BTW, what's with the naff writing in the back window of that 356?!
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Apr 18, 2007 11:58:57 GMT
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Keith, I disagree that back to '89 /essex cal lookers weren't that different to old Skool cal lookers. The only thing they had in common were they were dechromed. 90's Cal Lookers had pastel colours, colour coded bumpers, were lowered all round with non-stock interiors, splatter effect or chrome engines, etc. You're right that there were some old skool cal lookers around at that time like Bernie Newbury's coral red (soon to become blue) NET 807. i didnt mean that the B289 weren't different from trad cal-lookers. My point was that trad cal-lookers were still around then, but that B289 was something different from cal-look. Or alongside cal-look.
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Apr 18, 2007 12:00:45 GMT
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Rules? Guidelines? Do the secret scene plice come round and cut your goolies off if your car is fitted with the wrong detailling? Not at all. You are entitled to do whatever you want with your car and as you please. You can paint it pink and lower the back, and raise up the front 3 inches and call it Resto Cal 'cos it has a roof rack. its entirely up to you. People may laugh at you but if its what you want, then nobody will tell you you can't do it. What I'm referring to are the likes of Restowagen and The German Folks Klub. These guys are dedicated to the Resto Cal Look and are very high profile throughout the world - in the 2006 season, there was only one issue of a UK aircooled VW magazine which didn't feature or have a picture of a a Restowagen car - as a result of all the publicity Restowagen has now become a 'brand' as such and people including the magazines have started referring to Resto Cal as the Restowagen look. So if you came along in your pink car, front nose up and wanted to join Restowagen you wouldn't be allowed in the club line ups as your car doesn't conform to the correct Resto Cal look, even if you believe it to be one 'cos it has a roofrack. The German Folks, however, have members who have been around since it all started and you could say these people pioneered the look which is much copied so they have become an authority on what is actually a Resto Cal. But as I said earlier, they're only guidelines which are open to interpretation by anyone. Do you see where I'm coming from? nobody is telling you how to build your car - you can build it however you want. If someone wants to build a Resto Cal inspired ride, then nobody will tell them that they can't. It only ever becomes an issue if they try to join a dedicated club and they don't conform. Kind of like trying to join a Sierra Cosworth only club with a stock non Cosworth Sierra - you'd get a few raised eyebrows.
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Dig it up, slam it and drive it.
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Apr 18, 2007 12:02:08 GMT
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I didnt mean that the B289 weren't different from trad cal-lookers. My point was that trad cal-lookers were still around then, but that B289 was something different from cal-look. Or alongside cal-look. Ah, I getcha.
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Dig it up, slam it and drive it.
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Apr 18, 2007 12:05:25 GMT
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I like the idea alot. As much as Minilites/Ultralites have a stigma round these parts I still say for the look you're wanting you could do a hell of a lot worse than these Chrome Ultralites. Would look so perfect with the 'Rack and some cool period accsessories.
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Apr 18, 2007 12:09:27 GMT
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them above
RULE!
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Apr 18, 2007 12:25:35 GMT
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I agree. Sizes on Minispeed.co.uk start at ÂŁ77.50 p/w for 12x5's and go up to ÂŁ93.24 p/w for 13x7's which I'm guessing is the size in the picture. If you're after a Flatter-faced look they also do Chrome Sportspack wheels in 13x6 form for ÂŁ93.75 p/w. Chrome Sportspack's
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Apr 18, 2007 12:58:46 GMT
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Yeah I have to say, those superlites do look gooooood! Sportspacks also, but IIRC they require a bit of machining to get them on an imp, nothing much just extending the holes a little. What about these: I can't decide whether I like them or not yet, but I think they I do, and I think they'd look great shiny....!
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Apr 18, 2007 13:47:17 GMT
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Not sure if they'd suit Resto-Cal, maybe straight Cal-Look if they were detailed.
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Apr 18, 2007 13:52:33 GMT
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Yeah I think I agree, again, I like them, but not really the sort of thing I'm after at the moment.
Another car, another time I think! (or same car, another time!)
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Apr 18, 2007 13:54:50 GMT
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I'm interested to see what size these are...
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Apr 18, 2007 13:58:41 GMT
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I'm interested to see what size these are... Those look like Firenza Droopsnoot/Chevette HS rims to me which- I think- are either 5.5 or 6x13"....and 100mm PCD
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Apr 18, 2007 14:09:32 GMT
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Those look like Firenza Droopsnoot/Chevette HS rims to me which- I think- are either 5.5 or 6x13"....and 100mm PCD Pants, not 4" PCD then? Hmmmm, well if they're chevette they're 100mm, if they're firenza they're 4"!
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markbognor
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"Restocal look" imp- ideas?markbognor
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Apr 18, 2007 14:39:11 GMT
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Those are the dogs danglies, Maybe the inside of each cut in round the rim black, the spokes black and the low areas around the bolt holes black, then all the remaining areas polished.
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Apr 18, 2007 15:13:24 GMT
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Those are Jensen Healey rims aren't they...I won a set of those on Ebay once, but the seller refused to sell them to me!
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Apr 18, 2007 15:16:42 GMT
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Those are Jensen Healey rims aren't they...I won a set of those on Ebay once, but the seller refused to sell them to me! Ah, of course. They are usually polished and have quite a bit of black on them don’t they? Did the seller not like the look of you?!
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