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Following on from the snafu in the Stance thread... I'm looking to sort out the perfect stance for my ride : "I'm having a hell of a time trying to get the method for sorting the stance on the Datsun out. I don't want to go flat slammed as low as possible, I like a bit of rake. So I'm going with low profile tyres on a 14" rim at the front and some more drop,.. the low profile means the front end will sit closer to the ground, making the drop look much better. However I'm trying to work out the rear end right now... Do I flat slam the suspension and then do the rake with the tyres. Or do I run the same tyre size front and rear and rake the suspension. Ideally I'd use 15" wheels at the rear, but I don't think you can get 15" Lotus wheels "  The front will be coil overed so that will be adjustable. However the tyres aint cheap so I don't want to mess that choice up. This is more than a photoshop job as things need to be the correct size. Wheels are currently 13" with standard tyres (not sure the exact size though  ) ... |
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Sadly you photo'd the car from the wrong side, the wheel wells are right in the shade so its really hard to see the tyres!
Are those the wheels and tyres you intend running (or at least the same size/rolling radius)
It needs a small amount of rake as the rear arches are lower lipped than the front ones. It appears to already have some rake though, which for me works well, just needs to come down a little both ends. As I can't see the tyre tops I can't say if it needs to come down more at one end or not.
Also if its staying on the balck steelies it will want to be lower than if its going on some alloys...
IMO and HTH etc
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2007 9:01:55 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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It needs a small amount of rake as the rear arches are lower lipped than the front ones. YES! Finally someone else sees what i do! Everyone just goes "eh?" when i say the arch lip in the rear is lower than in front! Oh, and need a pic where one can see the tyre, but that pic look alright, just a little lower and perhaps a duckbill style lip? |
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Well spotted! or you could relocate the rear arch!  which may be a bit ott specially on a mint shell |
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 it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts  |
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Sadly its the only one I've got side on ,..
I think perhaps there is a nice stance thing, to keep the tops of the arches level. I'd not spotted that before, I've always thought it looked right to me,.. but couldn't work out why .. makes sense now..
I'm probably not going to keep the same rolling radius, at least not at the front. I think there is the possibility then to drop the whole thing another inch or so,.. lower the rolling radius on the front,.. keep the same rolling radius on the rear.
I'm thinking of running 195/40/14 on the front .. which should see the front end drop a fair ammount.. but I'll need to get the arch down further as I want it to be over the top of the tyre.
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My prefference would be to have the top of the tyre barely intersect the arc of the wheel arch lip. On your car from those photos and on those wheels/tyres that looks about 1.75" drop front and rear.
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2007 9:09:14 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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What wheels are you putting on?
Charlie
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My Lotus wheels,.. had them for 2 years,.. they are detailed in a most tasty manner, that goes with the whole overall look of the car.  |
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Stance My Ride ,..BenzBoy
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I think with the lower profile tyres at the front, you'll have to watch that the wheels don't look lost at the sides of the arches. That's the problem I had when I put skinny tyres on the front: The top of the tyre intersected with the top of the arch nicely, but there was too much space at the sides.
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Stick the Lotus rims on Ebay. Pro Street Datsun - FTW!!   |
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Dig it up, slam it and drive it.
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Seth
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I'm thinking of running 195/40/14 on the front .. which should see the front end drop a fair ammount.. but I'll need to get the arch down further as I want it to be over the top of the tyre. I think that's going to be too low profile for an old car on old style wheels. I'd go for very similarly sized (or even identical) tyres front and back. Perhaps you could go a bit wider on the back but with a marginally lower profile to keep the sidewalls the same height. I agree about levelling the wheel arches because if they are made to be the same distance from the ground then it also means they will each have the same relationship with the wheel and tyre assuming equal sidewall heights. It also looks like there's only an inch or so difference which will give you a very subtle but tasteful rake. I've got a set of the wheels with a mixture of 205/60 and 225/60 if you wanted a photo to see what they look like with those fitted as a reference point? |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable. |
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This is the thing ,.. I almost need to go to a tyre place and try on loads of different tyres,.. but I don't think anywhere will let me do that |
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195/60 on the back, 185/55 on the front. Get the back as low as you feel comfortable with, adjust the front to suit. Go out, look cool, feel happy.
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Mike D
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Stance My Ride ,..Mike D
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You don't need to go to a tyre place, 40 profiles in that width will look daft, i'd run 185 60's rear and 185 55's front, that should give enough scope for a nice stretch if they're 7" rims, tyres will be cheap, and you'll achieve the slight nose down stance you require |
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Stance My Ride ,..arthurbrown
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Mike & RMad - both sound spot-on. What't the crack with the axle / suspension set up on the back end of the Datto? Is it leaf-sprung back end? Lowering blocks a-go-go?? Easy to do and nice 'round figures' - 1in, 1.5in, 2in.... as said if you go 2in on those with adjustables at the front, just turn them down till it's right. I think that trying to 'work it all out' first is going to be quite difficult. Trial & Error process is probably alot simpler |
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Seth
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If it is leaf spring and you''re using lowering blocks and you want a slight alteration to get it "perfect" all you need is someone with a diddy milling machine to shave them down a touch  |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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I think that trying to 'work it all out' first is going to be quite difficult. Trial & Error process is probably alot simpler And quite a lot more expensive. Suspension wise they are coil at the rear (with the shock outside the spring, not sure what that is called technically) . I think Rmad is spot on, he has the advantage of knowing what I'm trying to achieve |
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Stance My Ride ,..arthurbrown
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How is it more expensive? The 'gurus' have spoken re. tyre size, and you've already got the coil-over front set up decided upon. From there it's just a case of 'how much' or 'how little' - it sounds like a good plan OK, so the coil-sprung rear (semi-trailing??) makes it a -little- more tricky than with blocks... are they straight springs? I'm assuming they are if they have already been 'trimmed' a little. I guess what I'm trying to say is without a bit of hands-on action, you'll never know. Seth gave me a tip-off about a firm who can do springs to your requirements, I'll have to dig out the details |
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I can get the springs made up no problem ,..
What I'll do is get the 185/55's on two wheels,.. then see how they look on the front and on the rears,.. if the wheels arn't lost in the arches on the front, then I might try the lower profile tyres. and stick the 185/55 on the rear.. we'll see.
I'm trying to find a picture of Dimitri and Sergei Utz' Golf that has inspired the square fit (no stretch no bulge) low profile tyre size.
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which may be a bit ott specially on a mint shell 
