mid72
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Nov 27, 2013 20:56:32 GMT
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Not been on here for a long time but have been lurking in the shadows since I sold my Citroen CX. Good to see it's STILL such a great forum.
I have been driving around in a Citroen C1 on a PCP scheme for the last 3 years. Now that has come to an end and I am fed up with having to pay for servicing just to keep the service book stamped I have been looking forward to the day I can finally have my own car and look after it as I see fit. Being skint the budget was small but I have ended up with an Alfa 156 Sportwagon. It's silver with red leather (love) and it's the 2.4 5 cylinder diesel (love).
Now it's basically a very nice car, everything works, it drives lovely etc etc and I love it to bits. The problem I have is that I had an accident in it a few days ago which now means it needs a replacement front wing and some paint, nothing too major. The person at fault has been very reasonable so far, has admitted liability and wants to pay to have the work done professionally. I have today visited a body shop of his choosing and since he has been given the cost I get the impression he is having second thoughts.
If I end up going to my insurance they will surely write the car off because it is worth peanuts, of that I am sure. This being the case I would like to hold on to the car and get it repaired as a cat C. Can anyone with a similar experience give me some advice on this, particularly in terms of insuring a car which has been written off, is it more expensive? Is it worth the hassle or should I just take what the insurance company are prepared to offer and buy something else?
Incidentally I have nothing against the C1. I would recommend one to anybody. 60,000 miles of abuse and NOTHING has gone wrong, it doesn't rattle, nothing has fallen off, it still does 100mph in third and still does 50-60mpg. These will surely become popular as engine donors? A part of me will miss the little thing.
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Nov 27, 2013 21:55:26 GMT
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is it definitely a cat c insurance writeoff? not a D?
I doubt it would be written off for a wing, its only 3 years old, and wings are only £75 each at a dealer, add in £200 at most to paint it.
I had an 8 year old fiat brava wing headlamp and bumper repaired through insurance, I was happy with the outcome given I'd only paid £600 for the car!
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Nov 27, 2013 22:24:44 GMT
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Doubt they would write it off but stranger things have happened. As for the insurance yes it can be a bit of a bind getting insured because some companies will and others wont so getting a deal can be hard work. I went through the comparison sites but the top 3 that came back refused when I phoned them. I went back to Adrian flux in the end and got a good enough deal. I ended up paying about £100 more than the cheapest quote I had but I had to add a couple of extras so I didn't mind. Only trouble is if you have another accident the car wont be worth a bean to them and you will get curse word all for it.
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sweaty palms slip off joystick
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Nov 27, 2013 22:26:47 GMT
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SPOOKY!! No word of a lie, only this morning I was wondering how you were, where you were, what you were up to and WHY you haven't been over to Area 52 for, at a guess, over three years? In fact, it's probably been that long that most people at the unit will wonder who the hell I'm talking about if I were to talk about "Sean and his CX" Please do try and pop over some time, it would be great to catch up.
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ChasR
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Nov 27, 2013 22:44:33 GMT
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is it definitely a cat c insurance writeoff? not a D? I doubt it would be written off for a wing, its only 3 years old, and wings are only £75 each at a dealer, add in £200 at most to paint it. I had an 8 year old fiat brava wing headlamp and bumper repaired through insurance, I was happy with the outcome given I'd only paid £600 for the car! Add a couple of brackets, possible an inner wing being straightened potentially Plus we all know that accident repair centre rates are never the cheapest. Add on hire car costs etc. and you are not far off a CAT D, if not well within it. 156s I hate to say it are not really worth as much as they were (as hoopsontoast here found, 147s for odd reasons seem to demand more (even the best of those sell for no more than than £4k these days tops). If it were me, I would let it go through the insurance on the basis that it is not your fault. Try to prevent the car from being written off, but if it is, fear not. Pocket the cash and get it repaired elsewhere using good bits acquired from a donor car (plenty of those to scour from ).
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mid72
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Nov 27, 2013 22:57:20 GMT
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I think my post is a little confusing, it's the 156 that's damaged and it's 10 years old!
Cat C/Cat D, not sure which to be honest but I am referring to uneconomic repair here.
ChasR - you're dead right, apart from really liking 156s they are at the age where they aren't worth much so you get alot for your money and they are being broken left right and centre. Parts are plentiful and cheap, labour and alternative transport are where the expense is.
Bruce - LIFE is what has happened!! haha! Good to hear from you buddy. I will surprise you one day! One thing is for sure...I miss the CX and I miss Area 52.
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Nov 27, 2013 23:09:16 GMT
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If its ten years old then they probably will write it off. If you can get them to pay you then get it fixed yourself is the way to go in my opinion. 156's are great cars and I loved mine but as you said not worth a bean so try and keep it away from the insurance.
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sweaty palms slip off joystick
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So if now you have the quote, and you rang the person at fault, and said, "ok it's going to cost (eg) £1200 via the bodyshop, but hows about giving me £300 and I'll get a wing and fit it myself and you won;t get a massive premium hike next year to boot", maybe they would be up for that? perhaps present it to them with a quote from a breaker for a wing and bits so at least they can see you are not doing anything funny. If you do go through the insurance, buy it back, it's worthless (no offence, I have a V6 wagon and it's even more worthless!) so it really makes no difference at all whether its a cat C or not, nobody cares on sub-£1k cars and likely as not if you get it back you'll be the end user anyway.
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I don't know if this is relevant to you, but i had an escort van which was driven into by a neighbour
The costs of repair outweighed the value so i was offered £650 to keep the car and have no history recorded
With this i bought a bumper and headlight, lived with a dented wing and pocketed the rest.
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Nov 28, 2013 10:22:26 GMT
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So if now you have the quote, and you rang the person at fault, and said, "ok it's going to cost (eg) £1200 via the bodyshop, but hows about giving me £300 and I'll get a wing and fit it myself and you won;t get a massive premium hike next year to boot", maybe they would be up for that? perhaps present it to them with a quote from a breaker for a wing and bits so at least they can see you are not doing anything funny. If you do go through the insurance, buy it back, it's worthless (no offence, I have a V6 wagon and it's even more worthless!) so it really makes no difference at all whether its a cat C or not, nobody cares on sub-£1k cars and likely as not if you get it back you'll be the end user anyway. what he said, its just pain pain having to weait for assessors, disagreeing with them etc etc etc do the spannering yourself and get it painted, along with nay other touch up bits it needs, best of luck
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Nov 28, 2013 11:08:54 GMT
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I deal with written off cars on a daily basis, and one thing I can confirm is that there seems to be little rhyme or reason to what marker a car ends up with. I've seen Cat D cars that are far more bent out of shape than Cat C cars and so on.
If the damage is as light as you say it is, have you considered not going through the insurance at all and taking a cash settlement from the other party as a contribution towards its repair? You could probably source a wing in the right colour and and all the other bits for a lot less than a body shop could. If you're concerned about the safety of the vehicle, any garage will have a look at it for you to make sure there's no underlying, more terminal damage.
As for insuring it, it's hit and miss. Some insurance systems will pick up on it, some won't. I've both sold insurance and I've insured a Cat D vehicle. The former never involved a check of any kind, even when re-insuring vehicles which had been the subject of a claim on a prior policy with our company. The latter also caused no issue as the insurer simply didn't ask. Think about it, when getting a quote, have you ever been asked if the car has a category marker on it?
I'm no assessor, but the nature of your car would lead me to believe it'd be a Cat C as that seems to be the go-to marker for older vehicles (Cat C of course needing a VIC check), though with regular contact with the insurer, you could hope to get a Cat D on it, which means you could repair it on your drive and then hit the road.
Whatever the outcome, you should still be able to drive the car (I can't see any reason the car would be given a Cat B and certainly not a Cat A). Just let us know when you're a bit further down the line then we can all help accordingly.
EDIT: Just wanted to echo the point that the insurer won't want to keep your car. Trust me, they HATE having to sell the cheaper stuff as there's no money in it. It's just hassle for them. Tell them you want to keep it and they'll be your new best friend.
Chris
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2013 14:15:26 GMT by ThePollitt
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Nov 28, 2013 13:53:40 GMT
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+1 for cash settlement from the person at fault. Ask for half the cost of the bodyshop quote. If they don't play ball, go to insurance and invoke all the collected advice on here about not letting them take your car away for assessment and suchlike.
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mid72
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Nov 28, 2013 19:49:19 GMT
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Well I'm feeling allot better about things now, thanks everyone for all the excellent advice. I was feeling down about this, especially after the bodyshop wasn't very complimentary about my pride and joy. I can see a way forward with this now and I shall be contacting the guilty party armed with all your advice. Good work!
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