nofrills
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Nov 27, 2013 10:05:35 GMT
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basically a friend of mine has put a deposit ona ford focus mk2.... now he was happy, its fro a dealership, but when he was googling the reg number NG55 XFK it came on a auction guide and it had 96k on the clock and some service history, now fast forward a year, and it now has 73k on the clock and no history well apart from eth mot from last year (23rd of october at 69k, it was sold at auction on the 18th of october) and this years mot where it is now at 73k, the hpi has come back with outstanding finance and the miles that it shows are from last year and the year before, but is there a way of finding out more? surely the mot records the mileages and that has to be stored somewhere.
if this is in the wrong section please move, and my apologies
thanks in advance
robin
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pavel
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Nov 27, 2013 10:25:56 GMT
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Nov 27, 2013 10:55:11 GMT
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... and yes, cars are still routinely clocked - the sheer number of "mileage correction" companies out there speaks volumes when you consider how often such services would be legitimately required. With the number of new cars on restricted mileage PCP schemes and the like, I would imagine that a scary number of cars have been clocked back prior to being returned to avoid excessive charges, and with that usually being before the first MOT it's going to be harder to identify.
As above, if you've access to the current MOT or the V5C document then check the MOT history. Well worth doing regardless even if you don't suspect mileage, as you'll get to see all the previous fails and advisories which will often tell you a lot about the car.
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Nov 27, 2013 11:05:23 GMT
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Clocked mileage and outstanding finance?
Walk away. No question about it, and you have very good legal grounds to get the deposit back.
There are an awful lot of Ford Focusus's' out there to choose from - no point messing about.
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Last Edit: Nov 27, 2013 11:06:55 GMT by dave21478
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nofrills
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Nov 27, 2013 11:27:08 GMT
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thanks chaps.... my mate has walked.... the reviews people have left for the dealer are awful too, there was also a £30 logbook fee, which as it turns out is the registration fee, as this was imported from ireland, the mot history only brought up the last 2, and also the last 2 mot's it failed massively yet passed within hours, and i am pretty sure the sheer amount of work needed would be more than a few hours.... so he is on the hunt again now, thanks chaps
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Nov 27, 2013 14:39:49 GMT
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Glad your mate walked from this one, sounds like a horror. With the number of new cars on restricted mileage PCP schemes and the like, I would imagine that a scary number of cars have been clocked back prior to being returned to avoid excessive charges, and with that usually being before the first MOT it's going to be harder to identify. This is like a timebomb that's probably not going to affect us in the retro car community for years but it may have an impact for those of us who also need a modern or two for family or work stuff. Most of the mileage correction guys offer advice like taking the car into the dealer to have a funny noise checked or some other made up reason because it gets the 'corrected' mileage recorded on the dealer systems, which HPI and the like are starting to use to combat this. The way around a record shows the mileage as going down rather than up is to explain it away as a keyboard error at a dealer, tyre fitter or whatever. Proving it's happened is very difficult because the tampering is usually non-physical. My last modern, a W203 Benz, was clocked. The dash module said 50k, the ignition module said 300k and the gearbox said just under a hundred. The physical clues were worn front suspension components, a failed window regulator and the condition of the interior and exterior door handles. They said that each of those on their own wasn't conclusive but the combination suggested it wasn't genuine so they couldn't dismiss it. Took months to get to that point though. I later discovered that the Benz dealer was HPI'd it before I bought it and they got an anomalous mileage struck from the HPI record because it looked like a mistake. HPI do this all the time apparently. The car got tyres at a major chain a month before it was traded in and the mileage was recorded as just under 100k. Before that, when I put a V5 in to the DVLA or get tyres on or whatever I would have been inclined not to supply the mileage because I was cagey about what they were going to do with the data. Now I always do it. It's the only way to beat this. Anyway (back to retro stuff), while I was arguing with the Benz dealer about this I needed a car so I bought a proper Benz: a 112k mile W124 300e. I'd dumped my W203 on the dealer and told them I was rejecting it, not of merchantable quality etc. I still think rolling up in the old Benz to argue the toss with them tipped the balance in my favour. |
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Nov 27, 2013 19:44:00 GMT
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This is why i prefer to buy cars with higher mileage, at least you know if it is high, it will probably be right.
Also why i always stick the mileage on the v5 when i sell a car.
There was a guy on a bmw fourm a couple of years ago that bought a e46 with 80k on the clock and to be fair it looked about right. Then he took it in for a service at BMW... key and everything bar the clocks came back at 180k! He got some of his money back and sold the car on with the correct mileage on it.
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Nov 27, 2013 21:52:59 GMT
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Cars are easier to clock than ever, really. No worn screwheads or wonky digits for people to notices, just plug it in and choose the new mileage.
A mate of mine works on a lot of (usually <5 year old VAG) taxis and they are all routinely "given haircuts". The owners get them serviced every couple of months, but they all only just manage 10k a year, and the owners always get the belts done at well under half the recommended intervals and don't get the service books stamped four out of 5 times.
They also keep up the normal MOT as well as the taxi MOT so online checks don't show anything amiss when they come to sell.
On top of that the drivers are taxed based on how many miles the vehicle covers in a year, so it really pays for them to spend £30 every few months to keep their miles down.
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Nov 27, 2013 22:00:02 GMT
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Cars are easier to clock than ever, really. No worn screwheads or wonky digits for people to notices, just plug it in and choose the new mileage. A mate of mine works on a lot of (usually <5 year old VAG) taxis and they are all routinely "given haircuts". The owners get them serviced every couple of months, but they all only just manage 10k a year, and the owners always get the belts done at well under half the recommended intervals and don't get the service books stamped four out of 5 times. They also keep up the normal MOT as well as the taxi MOT so online checks don't show anything amiss when they come to sell. On top of that the drivers are taxed based on how many miles the vehicle covers in a year, so it really pays for them to spend £30 every few months to keep their miles down. Perfect example of that /\, saw this eariler looking for one for a work mate: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vw-sharan-tdi-NON-RUNNER-SALES-OR-REPAIR-/200993859776?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2ecc2ae8c095K lol |
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Nov 27, 2013 22:13:11 GMT
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Haha, it's so blatant in the trade - I think it's more of a tax dodge than to sell the cars for more.
Oh I should probably add that my pal does the oil changes(every "800" miles) and cambelts (every "10k"), but the clocking has nothing to do with him!
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Last Edit: Nov 27, 2013 22:15:03 GMT by cobblers
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Nov 28, 2013 11:50:27 GMT
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Clocking is something that will go on until the end of time, personally to me mileage is irrelevant and a high mileage should be a badge of honour as a reward for regular maintenance
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nofrills
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Nov 28, 2013 13:08:38 GMT
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i normally buy my cars with a higher mileage, rather than a 80k mileage i always seem to go for 120k up really
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Nov 28, 2013 22:44:28 GMT
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At auction with 96 then MOT a week later at 69 I would say it was a typo from the auction house.
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ChasR
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Dec 11, 2013 23:15:44 GMT
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The fact is that many people are still drawn in by the mileage. Despite a friend of mine buying some real snotters with low mileage he has always paid a premium for them yet still replaced many bits!
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Ryannn
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The last "modern" I bought had 250k miles on it, that's what drew me to it! Lol
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Jan 30, 2014 16:05:18 GMT
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Yeah I suspect my Passat has been done  It's a tidy old car but (without looking up the numbers again) it looks like someone was dropping just a few 1000 of it each year and slipped up with servicing and mot's MOTing in the Feb at 72k is and Servicing in the June at 65k. Gutted as i'd had the car a year before I found out |
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Jan 30, 2014 17:07:28 GMT
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Mileage history on my transit is interesting (remembering it only got a 5 digit clock)
2009: 67032
2010: 68057
2011: 68583
2012: - no mot
2013: 152164 wtf?
2014: 81052
Fat fingers maybe???
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My daily 406 HDI has had the mileage go up by 20k, following a clock change a few weeks ago ! My next MOT will show me as having done 34K this year !!
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tubthumper, you may have a genuine reason to get the clocks adjusted then
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i bet ferris beuller would have preferred digital
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It's a tidy old car but (without looking up the numbers again) it looks like someone was dropping just a few 1000 of it each year and slipped up with servicing and mot's MOTing in the Feb at 72k is and Servicing in the June at 65k. Gutted as i'd had the car a year before I found out 
