bl1300
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Option 1. H reg Series 2 with canvas roof. Option 2 A reg Series 3 station wagon. both cars are in good condition and are at the top end of my budget, both sport a galvanised chassis and have rust free bulk heads. Both have Overdrives fitted. Series 2 has parabolic springs, Series 3 has a military spec gearbox. I suspect both cars are worth more than my budget but I'm hoping that they sell within it. I am yet to view the series 3 so can't say much on the issues. It does come will that lovely full roof rack and has an unleaded head. Series 2 seems all round to be in VGC but it does have some issues a little bit of rust can be seen under the door seals but it doesn't look too far advanced. The engine sounds sweet but I did notice blue smoke on startup so a top end rebuild could be on the cards. It comes with 11 months MOT but I can't see how it passed as the steering is curse word there is a good 45 degrees play in the steering, I know these have sloppy steering at the best of times but surely not that bad. Which would you go for oh and if you've got a retro 4x4 for sale for around £2.5k please let me know I may well be interested especially if someone would take my E36 in part exchange but that is not a deal breaker.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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Forgot to mention both are 2.25 petrols
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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If you want to stay dry and warm(er than you would with the rag top) then the hardtop is the way to go. imo it is one of those things that is 100% down to want you want, do you want a rag top of a hard top? The only other real difference is that the S2 is RFL exempt.
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Series Landies are only slightly more refined than tractors, so they're both relatively similar to drive. I'd be rockin' the Series 2, for looks, rag top and free road tax.
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Are you prepared for 15 mpg?
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I've had quite a few Land Rovers and always prefer the SII to the SIII. Hardtops are cheap so easy to add one for winter if needed. I heard a story years ago when somebody with a rag top got asked for van rate at the Dartford Crossing. They simply got out and rolled up the sides saying something like "it isn't a van now" Paul H
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Nozza
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I used to get 10mpg from my 2a lightweight,(with overdrive and free wheeling hubs)
But I did tend to thrash it.
Check, but if I recall correctly the series 2 and 2a didn't have syncromesh on first and second. series 3 had full syncro.
Chances are the S2 will have a later box but if it doesn't you'll have to get used to double de-clutching.
Also, mine had single circuit brakes which packed up on the A19 at about 60 leaving me with the handbrake only, the heater was an afterthought which never worked (I used de-icer on the insides of the windscreens in winter)!
I bloody miss it though and would have back in a flash if I could afford one and not get Divorced for the purchase.
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As Paul says, hard tops (or truck cabs for even better warmth) are dead easy and cheap to come by. Plus, with a truck cab you don't need to mess with changing to a rear door - just swap roofs as & when the mood takes you. It's easier to get a hard top/truck cab 2nd hand than a canvas tilt where there will invariably be parts missing (hoops, door frame etc....) that you'll then need to source elsewhere. Plus, it's tax exempt. Plus, the S3 has chequerplate wingtops. That alone would be a deal breaker for me becasuse I personally detest them (I know they can be removed, but....GAH!!) If you're questionning a lot of play in the steering, are you sure that a LR is for you? Often a quick nip up of the aduster on the steering box will have it back to a factory spec 40 degrees of slack. No brainer if you ask me - the £235 road tax saving alone will see you with a nice hard top and stock of paracetamol you're going to need for your aching arms, aching clutch leg and aching but cheeks after driving one for more than a few miles.
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bl1300
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15mpg fuel consumption I could live with I already living with a car that does 20mpg cost and costs 4 times as much to insure so I doubt id be any worse of financially.
Ive known for a long time that one day I would have to buy a landy I grew up around them and they are kind of in the blood. Dad has a passion for them and has owned one of every model made up to the early 90s bar the freelander. The play in the steering isn't a deal breaker but it is more than I remember on Dads last 109 station wagon. Ive driven tractors too and have experience of double de clutching. That series 2 has a lot going for it and I truly think provided it goes not too far off my budget it will be on my drive before long. However it is a really clean example and I wouldn't be suprised if it went for a bit more than I can manage.
The series 3 on the other hand is within budget but I haven't been able to arrange a viewing yet and I am not prepared to buy without viewing as ive been stung there before.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Nov 10, 2013 10:10:53 GMT
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The SIIA is a late model and both the ones I owned had a hybrid gearbox from new - SIII full syncro with SII bellhousing. 200TDi without turbo is straight fit but LPG conversion is probably better option if you are worried about economy.
Paul H
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Nov 10, 2013 10:13:35 GMT
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I had a mate with a lightweight who swore blind his canvas top was warmer than his hardtop.
I'd be happy with either of them, but i'm afraid the free road tax would swing it for me.
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Nov 10, 2013 19:52:48 GMT
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My SIIa had a great heater, i could never understand why people complained about them so I guess there is quite a bit to be said for making sure they are working correctly and a clear of gunk, don't forget some models had a tap on the block to isolate the heater circuit. I still used to have to defrost the inside as well as the outside of the windows in the morning but they never froze back up again. Comfort wise I never had a problem driving them but it does depend on how tall you are, its simple enough to fit some more modern seats if you need more support
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bl1300
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Nov 17, 2013 12:40:43 GMT
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Sadly this one was not to be to say I'm dissapointed would be the understatement of the century. The reasons I didn't get paid last week so I don't have the cash until wednesday and I don't think it would be fair to mess the seller around, combined with the fact that the current bid, ends later today, has gone about £400 above budget so its going to sell for more money than I can muster.
It was a very very tidy example and it is worth the money I was just kind of hoping that due to its location that not too many people would have spotted the listing
On the plus side I do have a landy in the works and to be honest this one is probably at little less heart over head.
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2013 12:41:53 GMT by bl1300
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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skoze
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Nov 17, 2013 20:23:48 GMT
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Fair play for having that attitude to it mate, it really does pay to hold fire when it comes to old Landies - there are loads around so it's not like you'll never see another one come up.
If i were you i'd make a list of exactly what you want. Hardtops are ok, but a well look after ragtop will be just as waterproof, warmer and quieter - series' are rattly old things at the best of times, anything to deaden the sound is a winner. You'd also be raging when you see someone out in another one with the roof off and the screen down in summer - takes 5 minutes with a tilt, hour of spannering and awkwardness with a hardtop. They're just so much more versatile.
Also think about engine choice - everything factory fitted to a series, even the very latest, is going to be nearly 30 years old by now. Everything will be needing to be rebuilt, but that's all part of the fun with them i guess. Gearboxes aren't too much of a worry, they're strong behind original engines and cheap to fix or replace, similarly engines aren't hard to come by and everything just coms unbolted.
Horses for courses really - i built my 80" up to be everything i wanted to be. It's pretty rare, is an absolute riot to drive, massive amounts of fun, seats 7, will return 45mpg and crack a ton.
There's also a lot to be said about a 109", there really isn't much space int he back of a shorty.
TL:DR version; work out what you fancy and don't be afraid to haggle on anything - parts are so cheap and easy to come by/ replace - just avoid Britpart like the plague. Galv chassis isn't the be al and end all either, though it is a nice perk. Just get something solid and enjoy it.
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2013 20:24:40 GMT by skoze
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Nov 17, 2013 20:28:06 GMT
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Britpart are OK if you buy the OE stuff in my experience - and often come in "Genuine a Parts" boxes. Their replacement stuff is just rubbish. I fitted three of their clutch master cylinders and none worked. Ordered the Girling and it worked right out the box.
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skoze
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Nov 17, 2013 20:55:05 GMT
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Never knew Britpart made any OE stuff? Have only ever come across the pattern parts which are all, without fail, atrocious.
If it arrives in a blue box, don't let it get anywhere near your car. Several friends have had steering relays shear, Britpart shouldn't be allowed to trade...
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Nov 17, 2013 21:00:03 GMT
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They don't make OE parts, in fact I don't think they make ANY parts. They can supply them.
The guy who started Britpart has an interesting history.
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