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Mar 28, 2007 20:20:35 GMT
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Last Edit: Mar 28, 2007 20:21:08 GMT by VW
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Mar 28, 2007 21:20:41 GMT
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i expect that bits for the down pipe , its a good way to go but can get pricey for sure
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Mar 29, 2007 10:10:58 GMT
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Are there any other products i can use to wrap the turbo?
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Mar 29, 2007 13:16:23 GMT
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I know that on some applications heat loss is quite important. Beware when you wrap. Although you are keeping your engine bay cooler you are preventing the compnents that you wrap from dissipating heat.
Charlie
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Mar 29, 2007 14:05:20 GMT
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Thats all good for me though. I want all the heat rushing out the end of the exhaust to speed up the gas flow. I don't want heat dissipating through the exhaust walls into the engine bay, thats bad in a aircooled VW as they have specific hot and cold zones and the turbo is in the cold zone.
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Mar 29, 2007 22:10:05 GMT
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I have it on good authority (a race car builder mate) that exhaust wrap rots the exhaust as it holds moisture against the metal, once you work out you need two rolls of wrap at £50 each to do a standard 4 pot tubular manifold which then falls off after a year and needs redoing, you can see the logic of sending your stuff to these guys. Its done on all the cars he builds/maintains and it works www.camcoat.u-net.com/
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mar 29, 2007 22:13:36 GMT
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I have it on good authority (a race car builder mate) that exhaust wrap rots the exhaust as it holds moisture against the metal, I have heard this too
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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i've heard that too, but my own expierience says thats not true. I've only ever had good results with the stuff. btw vw, check out www.nimbusmotorsport.com. They are the UK importers for Thermo Tec wrap, and also DEI insulation products. I think the turbo wrap you have found will be the DEI product tho.
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Last Edit: Mar 30, 2007 7:20:47 GMT by Keefy
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wrap can be tricky to get on. Thats why some people have problems with it. I've also heard of problems with rust after wrapping but since I never have bothered I don;t know first hand.
I do know that some turbos will crack thier housing if wrapped as the heat cannot disipate and the expansion contraction of the hot metal is more than the casting can take....
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Good info, maybe ill leave the turbo and just wrap the exhaust. Ive also heard stories about rotting and cracking when wrapped, but you can paint over some wraps to make them waterproof. There are some special wraps where when you paint them it reacts with the wrap and creates a hard skin. Something like that.
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Mar 30, 2007 11:07:53 GMT
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still makes no sense to wrap stuff when you can send it off and have it coated for similar money and it lasts a lifetime, and its proven to bring exhaust manifold temps down by over 300 degrees AND it looks better.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mar 30, 2007 11:42:12 GMT
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It also means taking the car of the road while the company wait to fit it in, forget about it, loose it, eventually coat it, not phone me to tell me its ready, loose it again then finally, when i threaten legal action, find it and charge me twice what they quoted.
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Mar 30, 2007 11:44:06 GMT
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Oh yeah, and wrap will cost me £20, how much is ceramic coating?
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Mar 30, 2007 11:48:58 GMT
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£18.99
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Mar 30, 2007 12:34:10 GMT
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tin foil and some hessian sacking looks the biz, although it is a let down on the performance front!
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Mar 30, 2007 12:38:34 GMT
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The wrap the race cars use (the stuff that actually works) is £50 a roll and you need two to do a 4 branch on a pinto and it takes two hours or so to fit it which cant be done properly with it on the car anyway. (that may not be the same as a VW i guess) and even when done right is still has to be redone every season as it breaks up and falls apart.
Gary at retromotorsports highly reccomends camcoat, the stuff works, they havent lost any of his gear or he wouldnt use em, and he says its actually cheaper for him to send stuff off to them than it is for him to buy the roll and then charge the guys his £50 an hour rate to fit it.
He gets the 1000 dgree black coating put on, which brings temps down enough so the 750 degree silver coating can be put on which brings temps down again, and looks good and lasts.
he mentioned £150 for a zetec manifold to be coated, which may be a fair wedge of cash, but £20 on a roll of rubbish is more of a waste of cash in my opinion.
you get what you pay for in this world, if the stuff is only 20 quid and it worked, thats what the race car guys would use, they don't throw money about they could be using for more power or better handling.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mar 30, 2007 13:11:34 GMT
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tis true, although my main concern is keeping heat down in the engine bay. Maybe ill just concentrate on ducting more air through.
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Mar 30, 2007 13:18:29 GMT
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I'm gonna go for the coating eventually when my 24v gets turboed as i don't want to have to cut vents in the bonnet, wont be till next year though, its staying NA for this year, he recons its fine on turbos and on the website they say they can do em, shouldn't matter about expansion rates or heat stress as the metal is actually cooler rather than having the heat reflected back into it somehow.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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