Bioshock
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Without any Banger boy bashing, do they have any pre race checks on vin tags, by scrutineers/random police checks before races? I only ask, as doing a fair amount of trackdays, I have had my bike checked quite a few times. Maybe this would deter the tiny minority that give the guys such a bad rep with the retro and classics brigade.
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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No not that i know of, it has been mentioned quite a few times in the past though. Its only a few people who spoil it for everybody sadly
Have seen frame numbers checked at quite a few different bike events though, trials, mx and trackdays - always causes problems with bikes in special frame kits.
EDIT - Was told of people turning round and leaving meetings when frame numbers first started being checked, like I said I was told this second hand although MX bike theft does seem to have decreased slightly although you almost never hear of any being returned to their owners sadly.
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sidewaysbo
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tryed the rest back to v8 s as there the best
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think you will find random checks are carried out at oval race tracks by police they never had checks when i was racing national hotrods but my cousins are all current oval racers and banger drivers and they said sometimes police want to see paperwork logbooks and reciepts for the cars at the track and check chassis numbers which is a good thing i suppose but everyone must remember its not all banger drivers and scrap men stealing these old classics theres scum bags breaking them and selling the parts and shells off i would think at there current high value some are being shipped elseware ,
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mk1 escort 4.6 v8 rover tryed the all steel 4 pots & turbos but always go back to my v8s making music
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think you will find random checks are carried out at oval race tracks by police they never had checks when i was racing national hotrods but my cousins are all current oval racers and banger drivers and they said sometimes police want to see paperwork logbooks and reciepts for the cars at the track and check chassis numbers which is a good thing i suppose but everyone must remember its not all banger drivers and scrap men stealing these old classics theres scum bags breaking them and selling the parts and shells off i would think at there current high value some are being shipped elseware , Checks should be made compulsary for all cars, if a racer doesn't have anything to hide then he'll have no quarms over them checking whilst doing the rest of the scrutineering
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Zotez
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Never gonna happen, not even worth discussing.
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Why not? It would deter the minority in the banger community that are thieving gits, would save a lot of classics being nicked & would add maybe 2 minutes max to each cars scruitineering!
As I've posted previously ALL cars that are raced should be made to have their chassis plates still in place & checked off against the DVLA & stolen car database during scruitineering & noted down/posted up on a raced car database. Any stolen cars will be flagged up, anyone using false numbers will be flagged up as they will either not exist or exist on a different car & anyone using plates more than once will be flagged up. Offenders will be highlighted & face either criminal prosecution &/or lifelong bans.
It's about time something was done!
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Zotez
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Why not? It would deter the minority in the banger community that are thieving gits, would save a lot of classics being nicked & would add maybe 2 minutes max to each cars scruitineering! As I've posted previously ALL cars that are raced should be made to have their chassis plates still in place & checked off against the DVLA & stolen car database during scruitineering & noted down/posted up on a raced car database. Any stolen cars will be flagged up, anyone using false numbers will be flagged up as they will either not exist or exist on a different car & anyone using plates more than once will be flagged up. Offenders will be highlighted & face either criminal prosecution &/or lifelong bans. It's about time something was done! Ok, ill join in with things that have been previously stated beforehand, with examples. #13 Pieter Liestra's "James Young Bentley" I speak to the guy occasionally, the car was given to him as a shell, no chassis. So he put it on top of a Range Rover chassis. Can I ask how you'd check this wasn't stolen? It wasn't, by the way. Do you think it's acceptable to tell someone who traveled all the way from North Holland to Essex that he can't race because his car doesn't show up on a database? 152 James Dillon's Alvis This is how the car started out: So your argument is that this car shouldn't race if it has no VIN numbers, despite being purchased legitimately. On top of this, what about the drivers who come over to race from Holland & Belgium. Most of the cars they bring will have never entered the UK, so won't show up on the DVLA website. What's to stop someone from stealing say 5 Austin A60s & buying one legitimately, and just swapping the VIN plates over? 100% you cannot police that. It's easy to point the blame at the banger community, but what you seem to fail to realize is that it's not a sport with one governing body. Up until recently, a car raced at my local track (Tadley) couldn't be raced 40 minutes up the road in the same class at Standlake. A lot of the banger community will agree that its better not to have one big governing body, so who would enforce it? The truth of the matter is that banger racing is an easy target yet I cannot find any conclusive proof (although I won't go as far as to say that it doesn't happen) that a driver has knowingly raced a stolen car. A much better solution would be for every retro and classic car owner to have a tracker fitted. You can get one for less than £150. That way you'd have a much better chance of finding a car, whether it be in a banger driver's yard, a rally driver's yard, a scrapyard, or on a boat being exported. But anyway, as I said, it won't happen & it's not down to the promoters to police it. I don't like seeing cars get stolen either and as an enthusiast myself it's a constant worry, but if your car is worth enough to you surely fitting a tracker is no big deal.
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alexg
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So basically it's too much effort and no one in the sport cares enough.
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1979 'V' Austin Allegro Estate
1990 'G' Rover Metro GTI 1.8 VVC
1985 Sinclair C5
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whilst i feel very strongly about this subject, I can see it will only go round in circles. There is an answer here somewhere, but I'm not sure thats going to go anywhere near solving the problem.
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Nov 14, 2013 22:29:02 GMT
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Pre 1981 cars do not legally require a VIN plate so that rule isn't even enforceable and even if there was some rule older VINs on most cars are small plates riveted on so nothing to stop someone easily swapping plates. have a look around the 'net and you can buy an unstamped plate for almost any older car.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:32:47 GMT
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Ok my 2p worth .... HPI check on bangers at the track.. if its to old for vin plate it can't be checked fair enough free pass there can't be to many left for racing now, if there should be a vin plate it needs to be there and when checked if it shows up as stolen you get taken to court with all the prep you need to do to a banger a £10 check is the least of your worries. If it shows up as scrapped, cat B C D who cares its about to be much more damaged and never going to see the road again. As for the picture above bentley on range rover chassis one car doesn't make an argument and isn't really a typical banger the alvis would be the in vin plate exemption category. It might make for a Bumpy (no pun) few meets or months but the always mention FEW that spoil it for every one else would soon be weeded out leaving the dedicated hard working racers to move the sport and racing forward and might even get back on telly. Another thought how about a voluntary big sticker that says HPI checked and clear and participants get a cheaper entrance fee. Just my 2p worth like I said but I have never taken part in a banger race so may be missing something and no doubt loads of ridicule will follow for the massive fool I am for airing my opinion.
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Jan 12, 2014 23:22:43 GMT
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Simples. The ID is checked before racing commences, ID is then CUT from the car and retained by officials, so if there is a problem in the future, they have the ID with details of the driver who supplied it.
Once the car is done on the track, it'll be scrapped, ID doesn't get returned, it gets recorded on a permanent record and then ID tags destroyed.
Therefore no using the ID on another car, and if someone is daft enough to do so, it'll show up on the organisers system.
Yes I appreciate that some cars have zero ID left because the car was left for 20+ years and theres no logbook as its been lost, simples, no-one races without submitting a logbook for the vehicle in question.
Some may moan "i'm not paying £27 quid for a logbook"... and i'd say, big deal. some banger racers pay quite a substantial amount for the cars they race, £27 quid fee is nothing really.
If people know they can't race without submitting a logbook, the toerags are less likely to bother.
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I agree with the idea its your car take care of it fit a tracker but not with the its not down to the promoter to police it that surely is who its down to if I have a night club and someone is bringing drugs in its my responsibility to police that surely the same rules apply if your the organiser and the one making the money your responsible for making sure the event is safe and legal... and also making sure your not profiting from crime.
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Jan 13, 2014 13:11:52 GMT
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theres 2 sides to this and classic car fans always want to jump down the throats of banger drivers and blame them for ever car that goes missing, what about the classic car fans who claim there pride an joy has been stolen so they can claim the insurance money but then cant bear the thought of scrapping it so they sell it on with no papers or the classic car fans who knowinly put change the plates on there cars to get tax exemption or the ones on ebay selling a pile of rust with a v5
in every walk of life there is unsavoury characters and a pound to a penny theres loads in the classic car world the only difference is there safely tucked behind closed doors where no one can see anything
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grumpy
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Jan 14, 2014 12:00:08 GMT
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I think the point is its been proven that some bangers DO get up to dodgy stuff , but no one from that community stands up to say ' yes it does happen what can we do about it ?' , They just say ' its nothing to do with us , stop picking on us etc .' Its almost like none of you give a monkeys as long as you get your cheasp/free car to smash up , as long as your ok and get ehat you want F everyone else . I have had a mate before who bangered and he would always denie his lot doing anything dodgy but when i got to now him he told me all sorts of stuff he and his mates got up - with no feeling of guilt or remorse what so ever.
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Jan 17, 2014 18:57:25 GMT
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I think the point is its been proven that some bangers DO get up to dodgy stuff , but no one from that community stands up to say ' yes it does happen what can we do about it ?' , They just say ' its nothing to do with us , stop picking on us etc .' Its almost like none of you give a monkeys as long as you get your cheasp/free car to smash up , as long as your ok and get ehat you want F everyone else . you forget the bit where they blame the car owners for allowing the cars to get stolen in the first place lol
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Jan 17, 2014 19:23:37 GMT
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theres no spokes person for the banger racing community,
are you trying to say that there is no one in the classic car world who hasnt stolen a car etc etc
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grumpy
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Jan 17, 2014 20:01:34 GMT
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Thats exactely what i meant in my comment , as soon as someone says anything about the banger community , its all ' what about that lot not us etc '.Know one actually admits this stuff goes on and wants to stamp it out .
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Jan 17, 2014 20:38:01 GMT
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thats my point though, we all know its happened in the banger world and no one will deny it and no one can say it will never happen again as i said before theres always 1 bad apple, i also know a few people who have unknowinly brought a stolen car and have a criminal record for that and they are as straiht as the day is long,
you never answered my question,so can you 100% say that this doesnt happen in the retro/classic car world
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grumpy
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Jan 18, 2014 19:42:50 GMT
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thats my point though, we all know its happened in the banger world and no one will deny it and no one can say it will never happen again as i said before theres always 1 bad apple, i also know a few people who have unknowinly brought a stolen car and have a criminal record for that and they are as straiht as the day is long, you never answered my question,so can you 100% say that this doesnt happen in the retro/classic car world [/ quote] As i said before no one stands up and says we should sort this out . And as for there being no spokes person what about the people who organize the sport , they are the ones that should be doing it such as the Oval racing council . I don't get what you mean by this doesnt happen in the classic/retro car world . Yes cars get stolen all the time but i obviously don't think they are all stolen by the few bad eggs in the otherwise good banger community.
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