domsveedub
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Mar 25, 2007 21:48:56 GMT
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i have aquired a 1.1 vw derby engine to use for parts for my golf 1.1 engine. they are both from A reg cars. i was hoping to strip both engines down and use the best bits out of each aswell as all new gaskets etc. but i just want to check that these 2 engines are the same! and if not will any of the parts of the derby engine be able to replace parts of the golf engine!
cheers
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Stu
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Mar 25, 2007 22:06:20 GMT
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Hi Dom - pretty sure they are the same, 1093cc unit where the water pump is used to tension the cambelt. I have a Haynes manual for a Mk1 Polo with that engine spare if you want it for a few quid as it might help with the work? Let our Luke know if you want it and I'll pass it on  |
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domsveedub
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cheers stu! ye i talked to luke and he's said he's gonna come over and help with it all. its gonna be my first bit of real engine work because its been my only car till now. 2 engines, 1 car, i cant wait!
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 11:00:16 GMT
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I have aquired a 1.1 vw derby engine to use for parts for my golf 1.1 engine. they are both from A reg cars. I was hoping to strip both engines down and use the best bits out of each aswell as all new gaskets etc. but I just want to check that these 2 engines are the same! and if not will any of the parts of the derby engine be able to replace parts of the golf engine! cheers Why not just rebuild the "spare" properly - new rings on honed bores - New stem seals - Nice skim of the cyl head - bit of prot matching and polishing - crank polish and new shells - all new gaskets and head bolts You'll learn far more, the engine will be all your own work, the results will be far better than swapping bits about which is just a waste of gaskets for little reward JM2pW |
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domsveedub
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Mar 27, 2007 11:51:36 GMT
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cheers! i don't have much money to spend which is why i got the spare engine off my mate for free. (he's GTing his derby) but i will have a look into new pistons and cams and bolts! also can anyone tell me any good performance upgrades for a 1.1 engine? i want to build a little old skool, small engined race car! & in the future have the engine upgraded to a 1.6 GTI engine & keep going up till it has a 5ltr V10 (joke)! i think 2ltr 16v twin carb is my top aim!
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Mar 27, 2007 13:07:37 GMT
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GTi won't fit  keep 'em peeled for a formel e box. if you could sort collection i've got a 1.3 coupe S engine going spare. |
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domsveedub
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Mar 27, 2007 13:13:58 GMT
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wheres collection from guz?
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 13:17:32 GMT
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GTi won't fit keep 'em peeled for a formel e box. if you could sort collection i've got a 1.3 coupe S engine going spare. Thats a nice revy little engine - I loved mine much better performance than the asmatic/wheezy/breathless/60bhp 1.4 engine in her current Olop |
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 13:23:51 GMT
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cheers! I don't have much money to spend which is why I got the spare engine off my mate for free. (he's GTing his derby) but I will have a look into new pistons and cams and bolts! Shouldn't need new pistons just rings unless it's been to the moon and back or had very poor maintenance history also can anyone tell me any good performance upgrades for a 1.1 engine? I want to build a little old skool, small engined race car! Not gonna be much avaliable and I would think even a tunned one isn't gonna be that impressive - no substitute for cc & in the future have the engine upgraded to a 1.6 GTI engine & keep going up till it has a 5ltr V10 (joke)! I think 2ltr 16v twin carb is my top aim! not sure that will squeeze in but to be honest you aren't making a whole load of sense now - too many contradictions But if you are after a heart transplant get an engine you know will fit like a 1.3S or GT and rebuild that over a period of time to keep the cost down - fit it when it's fully rebuilt My preference would be a GT cos I think you can get them to knock on the door of 100 bhp with a few sensible mods 1.3 coupe s is a good lump too but not sure it's that tunable |
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Odin
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Mar 27, 2007 13:41:17 GMT
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There's no point in trying to upgrade the 1093 really. I'd plump for the GT lump (as mentioned) - loads of people have done this conversion and it's pretty well documented.
Failing that, get your hands on an HK code 1272. These have a tuning scene all of their own and are peppy little motors even in standard form. Mega-easy conversion too...you could probably even use your existing carb if you were on a tight budget. I'd go straight to a Weber myself, though.
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Mar 27, 2007 13:59:53 GMT
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nottingham, ng14 6pe.
just converted my '89 coupe S
to GT mpi engine, got my old engine
and my spares engine surplus now.
old engine only done 56k, i've already
got a NZ lump as a spare now i've swapped
everything over to injection so no need
to keep either of these and ICBA with dealing
with the kids on club polo forum any more.
i've heard of peeps using a sierra carb on the
1.3 to up the power a bit.
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 14:03:03 GMT
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ICBA with dealing with the kids on club polo forum any more. ;D |
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Mar 27, 2007 14:05:35 GMT
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ICBA with dealing with the kids on club polo forum any more. ;D you might have noticed 86C's section's gone now too cos he'd had enough, i don't think his bro-in-law Tarquin will be using it for much longer either. |
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domsveedub
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Mar 27, 2007 14:21:24 GMT
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i think theres been some confusion! i hav a mk1 golf! the spare 1.1 engine is out of a VW derby! i don't have the derby! my mate does and he's GTing it (which is why he had a spare 1.1 engine)! I got the golf! i've never done any serious engine work before & i will be doing most of it myself with help from forums & my friends! i want to start with a nice easy 1.1 rebuild! where there is no moving of engine mounts and manifold clearance! then after some tinkering start getting bit more serious!
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Mar 27, 2007 15:03:33 GMT
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Well anything up to a 1.3 will slot right in, bigger capacity than that use different mounts and you end up playing with subframes too I'm told. 1.3GT engine from a mk3 are the shiz, you can easily get 100bhp out of them but you'll need stuff like ECU, fuel tank with pump and so on as it's multipoint injection. Earlier mk2 GT engines are carbed so might be easier, and they're just as eager but a little down on overall power. Likely you won't really tell the difference on the road. 1.3 singlepoint engines might be an OK compromise, they're 55bhp but nice and pokey and will feel like a supercar compared to the 1.1 Again, you'll need the ECU to run it though. |
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Odin
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Mar 27, 2007 15:37:30 GMT
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i've never done any serious engine work before & I will be doing most of it myself with help from forums & my friends! I want to start with a nice easy 1.1 rebuild! where there is no moving of engine mounts and manifold clearance! then after some tinkering start getting bit more serious! Just stick a 1272 carb-fed job in there. Once you've spent ages rebuilding your 1093 and been driving it for a week, you'll be wishing it's what you'd done in the first place. |
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 16:06:44 GMT
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^ yep
Coupe s lump ideal
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domsveedub
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Mar 27, 2007 16:20:12 GMT
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well i have bought a 2001 polo 1.4 for daily duties (i know its not retro and old skool but my job means i'll be travellin the country) so the golf is gonna be sat in the garage being worked on so got the time and space to be doing the work! you've got me with the idea of a 1.3 GT engine now! i'm gonna read back through this tread and make some notes and start on that route!
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bstardchild
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Mar 27, 2007 16:37:09 GMT
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well I have bought a 2001 polo 1.4 for daily duties (i know its not retro and old skool but my job means i'll be travellin the country) so the golf is gonna be sat in the garage being worked on so got the time and space to be doing the work! you've got me with the idea of a 1.3 GT engine now! i'm gonna read back through this tread and make some notes and start on that route! Only fly in the ointment with GT lumps is they are highly sought after - you ain't gonna land an offer of one of those for free ;D |
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Mar 27, 2007 16:43:52 GMT
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Whereas the 1.3spi engine are ten a penny - I blagged a free one, the guy just wanted it out of his way and I collected.
Polo GTs are getting quite rare and don't often get scrapped without everything desirable - engine, box, interior, rev counter clocks - being spirited away.
A 1.3SPi engine with a chip (ask around on clubpolo, they're only a few quid) is 60bhp compared with 75bhp for the GT.
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