joda
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Done somthing silly yesterday, i bought a mk2 Transit Camper!
It is currently sat on the Street with no MOT but is taxed till November.
I need to move it approx 15- 20 miles, from the sellers house to mine.
I have read on here of people booking in for an MOT to get around this, has anyone ever been stopped doing this?
The peoblem is, it has no passengers headlight glass and a bit of rot on the sill, so the copper would probably realize its never going to pass an MOT, but it could be going to get fixed prior to an MOT ?
Whats your view's on this then?
THanks
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to the best of my knowledge if you have the vehicle insured then that will cover you to drive to and from a prebooked mot appointment. anything else and you risk 6 points and a fine for driving without insurance
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stealthstylz
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Driving with no MOT ? stealthstylz
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It's driving to a pre booked MOT or place of repair. I'm not sure if there's case precedent for the place of repair being your house, but just book it in for the work doing at your nearest MOT station.
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Buy a headlight off of the bay and take it with you or borrow one off of a fellow enthusiast. Go for the van in the daylight and mount it in the wing. Drive it home.(Preferably also during daylight just in case there's a wiring problem that you didn't expect). Make sure you do book it in for an MOT though cos the cops do check it out. It doesn't matter if you don't show up at the testing station. You can always tell them it broke down on the way and book it in again.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2013 10:39:55 GMT by arrocuda
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craig1010cc
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Driving with no MOT ? craig1010cc
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You don't need working headlights, your going for a daylight MOT repair place wise, it has to be a VAT registered garage and pre-booked. I brought the Merc 100 miles+ home to a pre-booked MOT (and it was nearly 12months out of MOT and sorned for the previous 8 months), all on motorways and A roads and not a issue with the police at all. Drive sensibly (and make sure you have your insurance docs with you and the details of the MOT) and you'll be fine.
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As above, driving to a booked MOT is perfectly fine, so is driving to a garage or other place of repair (also a pre-booked appointment) or driving home from either.
The worst case scenario is being stopped for no MOT. If the van is insured and taxed, then this is a relatively minor crime - a fairly small penalty fine only and no points can be awarded. However, the vehicle should be "roadworthy" - ie if it has slick tyres you will still get the fine and points for bald tyres etc etc. Replace the headlight, gaffer-tape over any obvious holes and drive it. don't be silly and don't attract attention. don't stop for a packet of crisps at the shops on the way and be careful.
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joda
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Thanks for the advice guys, this is pretty much as i thought, just wanted to make sure it was ok!
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You don't need working headlights, your going for a daylight MOT repair place wise, it has to be a VAT registered garage and pre-booked. I brought the Merc 100 miles+ home to a pre-booked MOT (and it was nearly 12months out of MOT and sorned for the previous 8 months), all on motorways and A roads and not a issue with the police at all. Drive sensibly (and make sure you have your insurance docs with you and the details of the MOT) and you'll be fine. You do need working headlights even during the day for a car to meet the road worthiness test, it's just that no one is likely to notice it during the day. Driving a car (or van) on a public road without a headlight unit is like putting a neon sign on the roof saying 'nick me' to our friends in blue. Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground.
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. Eh, when did that come in then? I've never heard of that.
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. Eh, when did that come in then? I've never heard of that. That can't be right surely. If you have a car which is on SORN as I do on which the MOT has expired you would then not be able to MOT it. My car is one that requires road testing of the brakes during the course of the MOT. If it were not allowed on the road for the purpose of MOT then it could never be tested as you cannot tax a car without an MOT.
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That's what they told me when I phoned the enquiry desk. As far as they are concerned the law regarding SORN doesn't even mention MOT or any other mitigating circumstances. They are aware of the exemption that was allowed under the previous rules but told me that it is purely down to the discretion of the police officer as to whether the vehicle would be reported or not. If you were reported to them they WOULD take legal action and it would be down to you to put your case forward in court if you wanted to.
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Poppycock. The only way to un-sorn is to either let it lapse (for which they can try to fine you) or tax it... for which you need an MoT... By that theory you would need to arrange to transport the car to and from the MoT test on a lorry... and ain't nobody got time fo' dat. Exactly..... that's the reason I phoned in and that's when they told me that it had to travel with at least 2 wheels off the ground. TBH providing you have booked the car in, the car isn't obviously unroadworthy and probably most importantly you don't give the cop a hard time you probably wouldn't get reported, but you need to bear in mind that the MOT exemption isn't automatic once you have signed the SORN.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2013 14:20:52 GMT by arrocuda
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VIP
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. Please cite a source for this fact.
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. Please cite a source for this fact. DVLA! Tell you what..... you phone them and ask them. Tell them you want to take your sorned car for MOT is it Ok? Not sure why everyone thinks I'm bull sh*tting them.
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. The DVLA have nothing to do with the MOT test, therefore any advice they offer is irrelevant. It's like your local Indian offering advise about the Chinese takeaway menu. The MOT is governed by the VOSA/Ministry of Transport.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2013 14:27:01 GMT by VIP
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Also.... if your car is SORN (which doesn't apply in this case), the MOT station exemption does not apply. As far as DVLA is concerned it can't even be towed behind another vehicle without at least 2 wheels off the ground. The DVLA have nothing to do with the MOT test, therefore any advice they offer is irrelevant. It's like your local Indian offering advise about the Chinese takeaway menu. The MOT is governed by the VOSA/Ministry of Trasport. That is correct but unfortunately for us the piece of paper you signed called a SORN has everything to do with thyem and it don't make any exceptions for using a Sorned vehicle on a public road.
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VIP
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The DVLA have nothing to do with the MOT test, therefore any advice they offer is irrelevant. It's like your local Indian offering advise about the Chinese takeaway menu. The MOT is governed by the VOSA/Ministry of Trasport. That is correct but unfortunately for us the piece of paper you signed called a SORN has everything to do with thyem and it don't make any exceptions for using a Sorned vehicle on a public road. If that's true, (and a telephone conversation isn't suffice, such Laws have to be written down to be enacted), it still doesn't renege the Law that allows you to drive an un-MOTd vehicle to and from a booked MOT, which is detailed in the current Legislation below.Section 22 (1A) www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedule/2
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120y
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I agree SORN means what it says its off road and I assume still moted because as the other poster rightly says you cant tax without mot.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2013 14:51:52 GMT by VIP
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