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Towing a-frame?arthurbrown
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Mar 10, 2007 21:26:49 GMT
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Anyone here use one? What is the general consensus?? Thinking of buying one as it would be mega-useful for moving tat between my house and my barn (3.5 miles by road)...
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Seth
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Mar 10, 2007 21:28:00 GMT
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I'm pretty sure Mr.B bought one not long ago....
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Mar 10, 2007 21:46:55 GMT
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i got one off the bay, its the t1ts! very handy.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Towing a-frame?arthurbrown
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Mar 10, 2007 21:54:18 GMT
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Right, I'll bosh a bid in. Should be OK for local fetching jobs.
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Mar 10, 2007 21:56:18 GMT
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I paid £100 BIN for mine, its a proper Solomatic one, bit old and scruffy-looking though.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Towing a-frame?arthurbrown
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Mar 10, 2007 21:57:35 GMT
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Fink I'll just get one brand new, it's not that much more expensive and seems 'proper'.
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Mar 10, 2007 23:15:21 GMT
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Used before on two cars..... worked fine.
Not sure about mr Plod and co ......
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loon
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Mar 10, 2007 23:18:06 GMT
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make sure you get one thats got breaks iv heard on the grapevine that they are going to be out lord soon because of the issue of them not having breaks on them or the towed vehicle not being braked when slowing down ? ? ? ? ? i may be wrong but please check before you buy incase I'm right
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what the fcuk have you done lately
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Mar 10, 2007 23:26:25 GMT
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I can also vouch for plums's one! It's bloody super! And got me out of a very sticky situation! Something I am STILL very grateful for
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Mar 10, 2007 23:56:31 GMT
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Technically illegal unless its for emergency recovery.... but very useful and should be fine for local bits n bobs.
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A mate's A-frame has saved my ar$e a few times Can be a bit dodgy legally as has been said. I lifted this from the National Trailer and Towing Association site : An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety.
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I bought the plans to build one ages ago, just never got round to doing it.
As above they are illegal if the car is over 750kg. I know a few people who get some one to sit in the towed car to operate the brakes. Very few police seem to know anything about the legality of towing though and I have never heard anyone being done for it. A lot of autotesters I know take cars up and down the country like this all the time
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i think, if you follow a few simple rules you'll get no hassle of the DFR's;
1) the towed car must not look like a total deathtrap/like its been in a swamp for 40 years 2) you're not trying to tow something bigger or heavier than your towing car 3) you've got a decent fully operational trailer board with the proper reg plate on
if you do that lot i reckon you'll be fine.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Seth
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I think, if you follow a few simple rules you'll get no hassle of the DFR's; 1) the towed car must not look like a total deathtrap/like its been in a swamp for 40 years 2) you're not trying to tow something bigger or heavier than your towing car 3) you've got a decent fully operational trailer board with the proper reg plate on if you do that lot I reckon you'll be fine. Oh dear, looks like Pog fails at the first hurdle!
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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orangecords
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i took a cortina down to my house in coventry from the scottish borders and a granada back up on the back of a 1.9d peugeot expert with an a frame-dead easy! the guiy i borrowed it off got stopped by vosa on the m6 though-you can only take 750kg on an unbraked frame. mind you i think they were bored! if youre sticking to asensible speed youll be fine and wont attract attention make sure if you get one you check out the security of the straps and chains after a couple of miles as they go loose as the frame settles-itll be fine after that. oh and leave the ignition on to stop the steering lock working-i know of a couple of sensible chaps that kinda forgot....resulting in a bent tr6!
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I then wanted to start cleaning the interior as it stinks of wood (the material not the smell of a boner) best quote ever!
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Mar 11, 2007 18:38:30 GMT
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As said, techically they're illegal. Some people recon the towed car has to be motd taxed and insured, others ive asked say not. The towed car definately needs to have legal tyres.
Like Mr B said, aslong as the car being towed isnt falling to bits then the Vosa and police will probably turn a blind eye. If they do pull you for something like defective tyres then they may "remember" everything thats illegal about them and bust you. Another problem is that if youre involved in an accident the insurance may not pay up and you could be prosecuted for using a vehicle on the highway otherwise than in accodrance of blah blah blah or similar plus being uninsured due to invalidating it towing with an A frame.
That said, id definately use one!
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towing is a PITA. And getting more so. This is why I now use a man with a flatbed.
How many times have I borrowed or rented trailers with dodgey electrics. bald or badly inflated tyres, etc etc. Everytime I say "oh, it'll be OK this time, just this once" but "just this once" ends up being every single time.
And I never once checked my weights.
A chap I know of by tenuous connection just got 12 points from towing. The trailer had a blow out on one tyre and snaked, hitting another vehicle and they came ot a halt on the hard shoulder. Cops came and he wasn't worried until they started hasslig him, made him go to a weigh bridge, he was overweight (car, trailer, towing with a Landrover or whatever) so that was 6 points, 3 points for being on a motorway atr the time of the offense, and then the copper was saying "what can we find for the other 3 points?" and they did him a bald tyre for that one, said they could find plenty more wrong if they wanted to but they'd leave him just with the 12...
When I think of someof the farm trailers and other junk I've towed over the years... "There but for the grace of God go I"
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Thats a scary story Alistair! Every time ive towed ive been overweight. Remember they go off the maximum gross weight of the trailer, not the actual weight. If its a 2 ton trailer you get done for it weighing 2 tons even if it only weighs 500kgs empty. My old volvo estate had a maximum tow weight of 1800kgs. In reality my trailer weighed 1 ton, if I put a car on that weighed 1.5 tons I'm already overloading the trailer by 500kgs and exceeding the cars maximum towing weight by 700kgs. The volvo pulled the trailer no problems but If I ever got pulled...... Even if they didnt send me over the weighbridge to check the total weight of the trailer they can still check the manufactueres plates on the car and the trailer to see I'm atleast 200kgs overweight.
The amount of times ive towed with a bulging tyre or faulty tail light. Brakes would almost certainly need to be adjusted to work properly too. Saying that every time the police have sailed past me car and trailer with just a curious glance. Maybe it wasnt worth their paperwork. The only time ive been pulled the trailer was being towed by my mates lorry and the police pulled us over on the m6 and told us we had a blowlout. We hadnt spotted it and the police protected me with his car as I changed the wheel. He pointed out another tyre was bulged, gave my mate a producer and let us go after telling us to get a numberplate made for the trailer!
Saying about farm trailers, arnt they exempt from just about everythng? don't need lights or brakes e.t.c?
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2007 9:49:28 GMT by Lankytim
1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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Mar 12, 2007 10:03:37 GMT
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farm trailers are probably excempt from all manner of styuff but when they are being towed behind a traveller looking Transit with a car on the back on the M1 70 miles from home they ain;t really being put to an acricultural use...
I got pulled one time and I tell you it was only because the copper looked and realised he'd half filled his pocket book already and he'd be doingpaperwork all week that he let me on my way with a bollacking or I'd have been licence-less after that one I think
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