phatphord
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Scorpilow
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Mar 12, 2007 10:15:35 GMT
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I used to love boso bikes when I say them in Grey Bike mag back in the 90s, I still do love them, and I love the boso cars, wish I had the kahunas to do one and pull it off...
The lowrider movement in the US has some clubs that used to be gang bangers way back when and now claim to have grown up and moved on. People have asked me in the pat if I was trying to be a gangster..yeah..right... It comes down to basically do it if it makes you smile and like it. Frick everyone else, and in my opinion, if someone doesn't get it, even better.
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1994 Ford Scorpio Lowrider
um...and some bikes...
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Mar 12, 2007 11:47:09 GMT
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I often wonder about the 'dark' side of Bosozuku, it's very close to the exact attitude I dislike about some of today's (British) youth. A search for Bosozuku stuff on Yahoo reveals use of the Swastika in some gang emblems, which is worrying for a scene which I'm coming to appreciate more and more. The reality is though, that we don't have to be yobbish, disrespectful youths to enjoy the cars...we're on the other side of the world, we can take our bit and leave the other side well behind - I feel no shame in not being 'true' the the Bosozuku attitude anymore than I'd feel the need to shoot people if I had a lowrider. How many UK Hot Rodders are actually teenage school drop-outs who spend all their time in their cars to avoid their old-fachioned and square parents? How many Lambretta owners actively seek fights with their sworn enemy rockers on the weekend?   Driving through a residential neighbourhood with a gang at 3am to upset people? Not for me, thanks. Driving through the High Street with a bunch of mates bemusing people? Count me in! ;D |
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Mar 12, 2007 12:18:06 GMT
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The thing being that Hispanics were building lowriders and having nothing to do with the gangs and drivebys until the rapper set started using them as fashion accessories (same as guns and drugs) so all of a sudden a scene which has been happily doing its thing for 30 years or more is thrust into the public spotlight with a big fat twist which does not reflect its roots.
I've noticed that the Lowriding scene mags have also changed over the last few years from being about Latino pride to being about "bloods and homies".
Wasn't it Bob Lutz at GM who described the use of the Chevy Impala as a main car on the scene as something to be proud of that GM brand was enshrined in Afro-American culture...
I'm not big on lowriding and all that myself but I'd be pished if I was old school and that happened in "my" scene.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 12, 2007 13:32:39 GMT
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Just picked up a Bozozuku Magazine  ;D You can buy all the Fairings and stuff for the bikes as well as some mental "FlyingPants" and suits almost like a "Vivian Westwood take on Kamikaze couture" ;D ;D Its mental ;D ;D I don't fully get it either but I am happier knowing it exists ;D Japan is Nuts by the way....... and the whole Bozozuku scene somehow seems far more appropriate having been here for a few days |
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MWF
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Mar 12, 2007 14:05:27 GMT
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On the topic of bosozuku bikers I read somewhere that the Japanese Midnight Club was ended when one of the cars had an accident with a Boso biker, anyone know any more about this?
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Mar 12, 2007 14:09:20 GMT
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On the topic of bosozuku bikers I read somewhere that the Japanese Midnight Club was ended when one of the cars had an accident with a Boso biker, anyone know any more about this? From Wikipedia : The club was disbanded in 1999 when a group of Bōsōzoku were waiting for the club to "play" with them as they were racing down the expressway, which ended up in a resulting accident which six bikers ended up in hospital and one was killed, as with the club policy, if such happened, the club would be disbanded immediately and forever. Since then there have been numerous imitators, but with tighter traffic laws to make things difficult, as a result most of such groups have since been disbanded. |
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Mar 12, 2007 14:39:18 GMT
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Interesting stuff. I had it all this wrong then, figuring it was a bit of an innocent laugh there, where as its a big rebelion. like anything they cant be ALL bad guys, i don't believe all 'chavs' are TBH, but i some are seriosly fugging annoying (and scary at times)!
Some interesting looking vehicles either way, TBH now i know the full story, i would not like to emmulate the look exactly, much prefer to be inspired by the OTT-ness of it all and so something similar
Lowriders are cool but i have never got into hip hop culture in a big way.
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 it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts  |
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Mar 12, 2007 14:45:17 GMT
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again I'll say it. Lowriders are nothing to do with hip-hop culture. Lowriders have been around since the 1940s. A few hip hop "artists" have bagged a few juiced cars and claimed a whole scene as their own...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 12, 2007 14:54:29 GMT
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'Yoof' Culture's always been about pi55ing off/shocking your parents/elders, no matter what country you're from. So how do you manage that when your parents spent the late 1980's listening to Public Enemy and NWA, as I and so many of my peers did?  Never been so glad to be A. Old and B. Childless as I am now!!! ;D |
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Mar 12, 2007 15:06:26 GMT
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again I'll say it. Lowriders are nothing to do with hip-hop culture. Lowriders have been around since the 1940s. A few hip hop "artists" have bagged a few juiced cars and claimed a whole scene as their own... Be be fair though lowriders were started by the Chicanos ,.. and there was/is a strong Chicano gang culture, which took on the lowrider (even if it didn't start within the gangs),.. eventually this bled over into other West Coast based US gangs,.. and eventually into hip hop culture. Most modified things are associated with an anti-society/anti-'the norm' stand point, weather thats clothes, cars or where you live. There is always the next generation to bring up even more new ideas as well,..  |
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Mar 12, 2007 15:13:02 GMT
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Aye, I'm sure that the early lowrider guys weren't all 100% angels either. Just annoys me slightly that the mass marketting of it by the hip hop money machine seems to have practiaclly oblitorated 40 years of historical context.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 12, 2007 15:15:17 GMT
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Aye, I'm sure that the early lowrider guys weren't all 100% angels either. Just annoys me slightly that the mass marketting of it by the hip hop money machine seems to have practiaclly oblitorated 40 years of historical context. Oh god yeah ,.. it's like Snoop Dog invented the lowrider... |
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Mar 12, 2007 15:25:04 GMT
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I knew that aswell!  the words work well with this so closely packaged with all that scene! actually i'm quite inspired to mix things up now... hmmm Not really relevent but what the hell! |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Mar 12, 2007 15:36:45 GMT
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Aye, I'm sure that the early lowrider guys weren't all 100% angels either. Just annoys me slightly that the mass marketting of it by the hip hop money machine seems to have practiaclly oblitorated 40 years of historical context. Oh god yeah ,.. it's like Snoop Dog invented the lowrider... never sure when you're being sarcy or not. So I'll go with face value. I'm sure that a large proportion of the unwashed & uneducated believe that, just as much as the chairman of GM did when he made the statement about loweriders, Impalas and Afro-American history... And boy, that causes some significant offense in the Hispanic community |
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 12, 2007 15:39:29 GMT
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was always my favourite........ |
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Mar 12, 2007 15:40:39 GMT
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never sure when you're being sarcy or not. So I'll go with face value. I'm sure that a large proportion of the unwashed & uneducated believe that, just as much as the chairman of GM did when he made the statement about loweriders, Impalas and Afro-American history... And boy, that causes some significant offense in the Hispanic community I like to keep people guessing,... but I was being sarcastic in so much as people seem to believe that ... I'm sure he did it in between bedding some ho's and smoking a fat one...... G. |
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phatphord
Part of things
Scorpilow
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Mar 12, 2007 15:43:54 GMT
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blimey...wasn't intending to start another debate... nevermind,nice to see some factoids actually making it to the surface.
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1994 Ford Scorpio Lowrider
um...and some bikes...
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Mar 12, 2007 15:46:07 GMT
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Mar 12, 2007 16:08:15 GMT
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Its a great piece on Chicano pride... Low Rider Magazine did a series of articles titled "The History of Lowriding". Some fascinating stuff in there. Also I have a reprint of the first issue of Lowrider magazine from like 1970 which was a 25th aniversary giveaway a couple of years back. Some very interesting stuff there too about the "pre-rap" scene. Also interesting that Lowrider magazines from back a few years ago cetre a lot on Chicano lifestyle issues, racism, latino rights, education, etc etc Some hot politics in with the cars. Last copy I looked at seemed to have lost that. |
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 12, 2007 17:24:52 GMT
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Its a great piece on Chicano pride... Seems to be implying they are the same thing |
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;D
the words work well with this