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Finally after sorting "that fiesta" i can once again think about my own cars,
obviously thinking about my own cars immediately worries me as i have enough to do, not much time, and even less money. so i'll turn my attention to a non essential thing and something that should prove rewarding.
bodywork.
i recently put some red doors on my black car.. it looks funny in a banger racer/sh*tter sort of way. but at some point i'll address this.
i'll probably go the rollered on or rattle can approach as its cheap and good enough for me.
problem is my car is only black by means of rattlecans i didnt do it it was done by a friend of mine before i owned the car, it was a really good job, but the old paint wasnt keyed and my lack of maintenance and care has left the paint chipping. so obviously before i put new paint on i want to prep the car so there is soemthing good for the new stuff to stick to.
sooo how should i approach this, doesnt seem right to just key the black paint as that isnt stuck well to the original paint.. is there anything i could use (chemical?) to remove just the rattlecan black paint?
then what? key old stuff with some 800grit or something?
any help is appreciated as i really suck at this stuff.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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What I'd do (and you can take or leave my advice on my moderate results...) is I'd key the whole car down moderately aggressively. That way if the paint on the surface isn't sticking it will come off. If it is properly keyed then it will stay, but it wll itself be keyed and provide a decent base for the next load of paint.
What tools do you have at your disposal for this? Or just a big pot of "elbow grease"?
I'd use P320 to knock it back. I'd use dry paper and I'd do it outside. Wet sanding under paint can cause moiture trapping problems especially this time of year and especially if you are working in typical DIY conditions. I'd use a DA or even an electric "jitterbug" if you have one. But you can do it by hand with a block if you have niether.
Once you have any loose stuff off I'd go with a P400 to smooth out any sanding marks. For aerosol primers P400 is fine enough. Any finer and you can risk adhesion problems. You can go finer with chemically adherant primers like 2K ones and epoxy as they "chemically grip" the surface. Also if you have access to an oven to bake the paint on you can go to a finer grit...
If yuou come across any areas where the old paint is just flaking away I'd step down to a P240 or P180 for faster removal of the loose paint. If you do this step back up through the grades - don't try use a P400 over a P180 or you will leave sanding marks.
If you go through to bare metal in large areas use an etch primer but confine it to the area of bare metal as etch can react with some existing paint finishes. Ask me how I know. If its only a small area of bare metal then normal primer will be fine so long as you have keyed the metal (ie by sanding it)
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i only have a big ol pot of elbow grease, no oven to bake anything, it will be done outside, or at very best in a damp and manky workshop.
thats some helpful advice there, i'll follow that:)
cheers
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Next time I'm in Burbage I can drop by and point and laugh, I mean, offer some advice on site, if you like. I think thats pretty close to where you're at? No transport at the moment so I can't be any more help than that.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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yeh burbage is about 15mins down the road maybe less. my friend lives there.
belive me if you came and saw what my parents drive loosk like now you would point and laugh.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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wouldnt he be better off trying to remove as much of the black paint as possible? if he paints over flaked paint then when he re paints it the edges of flaked paint will show thru.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Damn, now I want another 100E.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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if he takes at it all the loose paint will come off.
for a really good job you want to go back to metal and etch it, but if rattles are 'good enough' for you Nick, id do just what Akku said. i'd likely use the sander machine though! think they're cheap enough at b&q too...
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Damn, now I want another 100E. with slots instead of halfords-alloy-hubcap-looky-like-alloys?!?! |
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I was waiting for 90s retro to come back in with them. There is no excuse for them is there. I had some cool banded steelies for it but I never got round to gettting the tyres for them. Had to sell the car in a hurry when Imoved house.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Damnit I want another 100E too. My one was like that before I painted the sides too  I found at some point in it's past it had been pink and orange down the sides and must have been returned to standard before I bought it as a stocker. |
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That really is a sweet little motor - Alistairk, do you know who did the bonnet louvres? I'm looking for similar at the mo  |
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The bonnet was done like that when I got it, but it was built buy a guy in Leicester who I think is called Guy so I could ask if I come across him again. I think they are welded in in strips. It was originally built in the early 80s so no idea if the place that did the strips is still in business. "Cool Louvres" used to be the place to speak to. A better shot of the old ZZ Top paint scheme    all of which was burried under 1/4" thick brushed on matt black paint when I bought it which was actually never setting - always tacky to the touch. Nice  |
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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rattles are good enough for me, i know my limits. i know i can operate a rattlecan to get a good enough finish. spraying properely i don't have the equipment, or the money and besides its my track car so it doesnt need to be show finish.or anywhere near show finish. just needs to be one colour that sticks on to the car. haha
i'll go with alistairks original suggestion I'm sure that will do what i need.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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there certianly isnt an excuse in the world that can justify that! glad it went black *phew* |
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I was actually considering "restoring" it to its ZZ top glory days LOL.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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you can get brilliant results with rattlers if u prep it correctly. once saw a tvr at keithly car show that looked fooking ace, it has been painted with 42 cans of spray paint. looked like a pro job tho
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