rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
|
Hi I've been toying with the idea of "converting" a set of wheels I have to a different PCD. They are 5 x 114.3 and I want 4x100. The offset is ok, so is the size of the wheel (7x14). I've heard of a hot rod trait to weld up the original holes and have them re-drilled. Is this viable? can it be done? has anybody done this conversion? Cheers Rob ;D
|
|
Last Edit: Mar 24, 2007 23:27:12 GMT by rangerbob
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
|
markbognor
South East
Posts: 9,970
Club RR Member Number: 56
|
|
|
mrstigma had it done, talked about it in his mitsi celest thread. Clicky
|
|
|
|
slater
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 6,390
Club RR Member Number: 78
|
|
|
Can be done, might turn out quite pricey tho
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
why not re drill the cars hubs? I'd rather that than re drilled wheels any day.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Why not? No reason the welded holes should not be as strong as the original metal?
Might go investigate that myself.........
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mmmm - nice rims. Would look great on one of mine - which already has 5x 114mm PCD....
|
|
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
|
Cheers Markbognor, a very useful link, thanks...... I shall keep this thread as a Stage by stage for anyone who wishes to do the same.......
|
|
Last Edit: Mar 8, 2007 17:30:37 GMT by rangerbob
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
John
Part of things
Posts: 347
|
|
|
I would be very careful welding alloy wheels unless you know the composition of the alloy and if it has been heat treated. Take it to someone who really knows what they are doing, make sure it gets a preheat, is welded with the correct rod, has a slow cool and then has a heat treat as required.
Then you have to hold the wheel to machine it.
I would always mod the hubs.
John
PS I do worry a lot though about anything that cause a car to loose control.......
|
|
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
|
Thanks John
I use a very experienced and very skilled fabrication shop, I've used them a couple of times and they know exactly what they're doing.
I'll be seeing them in a few days.
CHEERS
|
|
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the above reasons are pretty good.
Also, I'm sure it will be cheaper to redrill and tap the hubs rather than weld, machine and redrill the wheels.
|
|
|
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
|
Mr. VW Cheers for the input matey, it was another possiblilty I was considering, thank you.
Many thanks for all your inputs and I've taken all on board over the next few days I'll be looking into it all and let you know....
|
|
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
street
Posted a lot
6.2 ft/lbs of talk
Posts: 4,662
|
|
|
While we're waiting for the update, can I jump in with a question?
I wanted to fit some wheels that have a wildly bigger PCD than the origionals. So much bigger that there wasn't enough 'meat' on the hubs to re-drill them, and also the same problem with re-drilling the wheels, not enough meat for that either. So i'm left with having some sort of PCD adaptors made- does anyone have any experience with having adaptors made with regards to cost? I've seen adaptors on Ebay that are adjustable but they are horrifically expensive at £200 just for a pair. Do you think i'd be able to do better than this by going to an engineering firm and having them made? Anyone have the skillz to do this on here or have a rough idea of the sort of labour costs we're talking about so I don't embarrass myself at the local (and a bit unfriendly) fabricators?
Also, out of curiosity, when we're talking abbut re-drilling hubs- do you reccomend re-drilling the disks too or get some disks with the same PCD as your having drilled and ar$e about with disk offset/size etc?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
street, in your case i would consider having hubs made, and using brakes with the same pcd as the wheels. what car is it? FWD? Live axle? are the wheels worth the effort?
Paul
|
|
|
|
street
Posted a lot
6.2 ft/lbs of talk
Posts: 4,662
|
|
Mar 10, 2007 10:35:02 GMT
|
Cheers Paul. Hmm it sounds like it isn't worth the effort in this case. Its just that it occured to me that Suzuki Vitara 'fat boy' wheels are an untapped source of wide, deep dish alloy wheels! I have some lying around so I started sizing them up for my Montego (no seriously!) but the PCD of said car is so small (4x93.25) that it is probably not worth the effort Plan B is banded steels so it's not all bad
|
|
|
|
Mike D
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 2,197
Club RR Member Number: 57
|
|
Mar 10, 2007 12:17:34 GMT
|
mrstigma had it done, talked about it in his mitsi celest thread. ClickyThat was me i did the exact thing to the same wheels, but went from 5x114.3 to 4x114.3... Got a local engineering place to weld the holes up, the my mate machined the faces back and sorted all the runouts etc, then redrilled the holes for use with lug nuts. Mike
|
|
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
Mar 10, 2007 13:51:01 GMT
|
I read with great interest, cheers Now I know it can be done, I'll be posting pics following the conversion very soon......
|
|
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
Mar 24, 2007 20:42:04 GMT
|
Right, been having other thoughts on the modification. I would really appreciate any Engineers/fabricators comments if this is feasable please!!! Can the centre be milled out, a separate fabricated centre made and then welded into place of the original? as the images below.(photoshopped) Would it be strong enough?.....cheers
|
|
Last Edit: Mar 24, 2007 20:42:53 GMT by rangerbob
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|
mercmad
Posted a lot
Flush Hard,it's a long way to McDonalds.
Posts: 1,740
|
|
Mar 24, 2007 21:12:41 GMT
|
NO,it's easier to fill the hole with weld or weld plugs into place. Thats the hard part.Redrilling different holes is somewhat easier. I have done some disc rotors to change from GM 5 stud pattern to Ford,which gives a far wider range of wheel choices( toyota,Mercedes,etc etc ).You have to be aware of the cast lugs inside the hubs,the new studs get fouled up in them. Place the rims against the hubs to make sure you have enough clearance EVERYWHERE.
|
|
Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
|
|
rangerbob
Part of things
Mk1 VW Polo LS '78
Posts: 518
|
|
Mar 24, 2007 23:10:16 GMT
|
Cheers Mercmad.....
|
|
EMAIL: rcsimpson66@gmail.com facebook.com/Rob.Simpson.Design
|
|