mt2man
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Jun 29, 2013 16:53:21 GMT
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Hey all, I have just picked up a 1955 Standard Ten and its awesome!
But I want to make sure I stay legal, its been lowered (flipped axle and cut coils on front), running spitfire front disc brakes, and a spitfire diff.
My main question is if I were to do a engine conversion (Mazda MX5 engine possibly) would I retrain enough points to avoid a BIVA, would it need a VIC check, would I keep the original reg and would it keep its tax and mot exempt status?!
Thanks Jack
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Jun 29, 2013 17:56:20 GMT
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I came across this recently when considering modifying my '72 Sprite bodyshell.If enough parts then NEW age related reg issued - original would be lost.
DVLA rules are such that tax exemption would also be lost. Not sure about the MOT exemption though.
Personally with a Standard 10 I'd stick with a 1300 or 1500 Triumph lump and not say anything to DVLA other than informing them of new capacity. Start using a MX5 engine then monocoque might need modifying so BIVA applicable.
Paul h
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Jun 29, 2013 19:03:15 GMT
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if you chose not to inform D.V L A, about changes, you are breaking the law. you must also inform insurance company of any changes,if you don,t you would also be breaking the law,
once you decide on what mods you want to do contact D.V.L.A. (they are generally very helpful ) for info on exactly what you need ,mot wise ect.
quite frankly, anyone thinking about buying a modified car,will be looking for all the paperwork and legality issues to be absolutely correct, or wouldn,t touch it with a barge pole.. would you???
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mt2man
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Jun 29, 2013 19:23:11 GMT
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The mx5 engine should go in without modifying the body, all it would take would be engine mounts, wiring and a new prop. I was just unsure as to the legal side of engine swaps and what checks would have to be made if any. I would want to declare the engine swap to dvla, as for brakes I personally think its just a safety bolt on upgrade but I guess it would have to be taken into consideration when it comes to the VOSA points system.
Essentially i want a 1955 car with better brakes and a modern engine while retaining its mot and tax free status. Would this be possible?
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Dez
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Modiying a pre 1960s car?Dez
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Jun 29, 2013 19:55:49 GMT
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brakes hold zero points on the doovla system. bolt on upgrades are 'free'.
tbh, the points system is antiquated at best- try differentiating between the 'axle' and 'suspension' on any car made after the '30s. its totally impossible on mac struts or twin wishbones.
i think ACE were trying to get it where the front and rear ends were considered separately, so you could theoretically 5 link a car with an axle swap and it still be legal. not heard anything from them for a while though.
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mt2man
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So a tax and mot exempt car running a more modern engine would be legal still?
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So a tax and mot exempt car running a more modern engine would be legal still? As long as monocoque body 100% original and enough points from other components to reach 8 Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame, original or new and unmodified - 5 points Suspension (front and back), original - 2 points Axles (both), original - 2 points Transmission, original - 2 points Steering assembly, original - 2 points Engine, original - 1 point. So body plus suspension and steering is 9 points and therefore an engine / gearbox / axle change would still be within the rules. Paul h |
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mt2man
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I see so I couldn't upgrade the engine and also convert the steering to rack and pinion over a steering box?
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kevfromwales
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^^ you could if you did it all bolt on, and kept all the original bits then in the event that you did get called for an inspection, you could stick all the 'standard' bits (see what I did there..) back on - the only part which you change out of all your points bits which you have to notify the dvla of is the engine  for example, if you put a triumph dolly lump in, and changed the back axle, springs and steering - then you might be over your points tally, but if you kept your standard steering and suspension bits to bolt back on see what I mean? - keeping the monocoque in standard shape is what you should be aiming for, make the new bits fit the shell, not the other way round - kfw |
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keeping the monocoque in standard shape is what you should be aiming for, make the new bits fit the shell, not the other way round - kfw That is very good advice. Paul H |
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mt2man
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Would even cutting a hole in the floor for the gear stick to come out of the tunnel count too much as modifying the monocoque? At what point does adjustments become modifications? Surely drilling holes for new wheel arches or mirrors would count as modifying monocoque too some degree? haha
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kevfromwales
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the conrod's REALLY out the block now!
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drilling a 2" hole because the shifter comes out further back, you'd probably get away with chopping the whole tunnel out cos the box wont fit, still likely to get away with it IMO, but if it does get called for inspection - they are going to spot it aren't they |
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Almost on the road: b11 sunny breadvan, e36 tds, 325i skidcar,
nearly there: ford f250 tathauler, suzuki alto, u11 bluey
not for a while: ford pop, 32 rails,
not in this lifetime: ruby, '29 hillman
''unfortanatly I'm quite old and scruffy and in need of some loving. my drive shaft needs a new boot....''
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mt2man
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If its under carpet and covered in underseal I'm sure it wouldn't be too obvious haha
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You'll also notice with a lot of engine conversions that loads of people have found their tunnels to be 'excessively corroded' and have ended up needing to replace large chunks of it....
Joe
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