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I know that there have been loads of epetitions about rolling classic car tax exemptions, but I think that this one is worth signing. So please go to epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49330 why is this one worth signing? Because this got a whole page in this months Practical Classics which has how many readers... Because 40 years is realistic as it will hardly cost the government anything as there are so few 1974 cars with tax discs. Because it looks like the government is was already convinced enough to do a one off one year extension this year so it looks like something that they might want to do anyway. thanks
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In before the lock, possibly.
I admit I signed one of these petitions before. However, months ago I saw a good article in a classic car mag. The upshot was that most punters aren't aware there's an exemption for older cars and that making a who-haa about it in current financial straits might back-fire. Punters view older cars as 1) owned by moneyed-folk who can afford toys or 2) bangers that should be off the road anyway.
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I think theres been at least one of these a month, there's no point as the government aren't going to take any notice of what the general public want/ think anyway.....
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Last Edit: Jun 9, 2013 20:25:29 GMT by warnzee
oooooh I'm so badass.... I've got a z in my name
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No. It is a one off concession to owners of 1973 cars, not a permanent rolling arrangement. The point of the petition is to make what happened this year permanent rather than a one off. There is no guarantee that the government will repeat this next year which will make anyone with a 1974 car pretty sick.
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fogey
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Frankly, I think the government have got more important things to worry about at the moment (yes, I know that hasn't stopped them spending oodles of time on things like gay marriage . . . (have nothing against this, just don't think it's that important to the masses)). Also, there has been talk in the past of road tax concessions leading to restrictions of use and I don't think anyone on here will want that. . .
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djefk
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Whatever guys it takes 30 seconds, just sign it
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Jun 10, 2013 17:17:34 GMT
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once bitten twice shy, perhaps ?
when the tory's passed legislation for exemption for historic vehicles in 95 it was expected around 150,000 vehicles would benefit, the actual figure ballooned to nearly half a million as all the pre 1973 cars crawled out of the woodwork
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Jun 10, 2013 19:09:55 GMT
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This thread still here? I have to agree with darrylwebb. I know most of us on this forum run our cars on a shoestring, but the fact you have TWO cars (even if the sum value of both is <£1500) will be seen by a lot of people as extravagant. I think we're best keeping our heads down and praying we don't need legal aid, A+E or a decent education any time soon. There are things worth petitioning about, saving a tenner a month on a hobby isn't one imo. A little light hearted background.Save Legal Aid
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Last Edit: Jun 10, 2013 19:21:07 GMT by SamR380
I've got Rovers.
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VIP
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Whatever guys it takes 30 seconds, just sign it Isn't that the point though. "It takes 30 seconds" You really feel like you're contributing to a worthwhile cause by taking just 30 seconds out of your life? Time was people used to write proper letters, or even e-mails to their MP. They used to put effort into a subject they are passionate about. Now its "click a mouse, type my name, and I'm done". You really think that's going to make a change? e-Petitions are for the lazy and apathetic. What do you think holds more weight, a sack full of letters, or a single line of data on a computer screen, downloaded by some cabinet minion from a server miles away from No.10?
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How many people need to sign it to get it looked at?
The main problem for me is the classic car community is so fragmented its really hard to get everyone behind a common cause
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stop ripping in to this chap and sign the petition. if we don't stand up for a right to have tax free cars then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. because of a insanely priced road tax for the state of our roads this is the trouble with our society nobody will unite for any cause regards t
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stop ripping in to this chap and sign the petition. if we don't stand up for a right to have tax free cars then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. because of a insanely priced road tax for the state of our roads this is the trouble with our society nobody will unite for any cause regards t I think the trouble with society is misinformed people like yourself spouting spurious nonsense as if it's actual fact. Where did you get the notion that it's a 'right' to have free tax? Where is the proof that lots of good cars are scrapped just because they aren't tax exempt? A good car is a good car and will always find a buyer. You seem to think that 'road tax' (it's not actually 'road tax' at all) pays for the upkeep of our roads. Maybe do some research and you'll see that it doesn't work like that.
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EmDee
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Committer of Autrocities.
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if we don't stand up for a right to have tax free cars then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. Firstly, it's not our right, it's a privilege given to us. Secondly LOLWUT? edit: Thirdly, everything Bruce said a few seconds before me!
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2013 9:25:15 GMT by EmDee
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Jun 11, 2013 10:07:09 GMT
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Many of us would rather not have the free road tax at all to be honest, it just gives the government people to aim at if they ever decide to restrict the use of old, polluting, dangerous cars that can not drive themselves or be tracked/taken over by "air traffic control" when it all goes live and computer controlled at some point in the future.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jun 11, 2013 10:35:17 GMT
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stop ripping in to this chap and sign the petition. if we don't stand up for a right to have tax free cars then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. because of a insanely priced road tax for the state of our roads this is the trouble with our society nobody will unite for any cause regards t I think the trouble with society is misinformed people like yourself spouting spurious nonsense as if it's actual fact. Where did you get the notion that it's a 'right' to have free tax? Where is the proof that lots of good cars are scrapped just because they aren't tax exempt? A good car is a good car and will always find a buyer. You seem to think that 'road tax' (it's not actually 'road tax' at all) pays for the upkeep of our roads. Maybe do some research and you'll see that it doesn't work like that. Really?? lol Signed before the lock
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Jun 11, 2013 12:48:43 GMT
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Why would this be locked? I'm not that familiar with the rules around here
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stealthstylz
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Jun 11, 2013 12:55:46 GMT
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Because e-petitions are on a similar level of usefullness to telling your mate down the pub about an issue at actually bringing stuff to government discussion.
Look at the Iain Dumbcunt Smith one when hundreds of thousands signed to make him eat his own words about being able to live on 53 quid a week. That was just laughed off and ignored
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Jun 11, 2013 13:03:03 GMT
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then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. because of a insanely priced road tax for the state of our roads this is the trouble with our society nobody will unite for any cause regards t You are honestly telling me people scrap cars over paying a few quid in tax?
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Jun 11, 2013 13:16:01 GMT
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The point of the petition is to make what happened this year permanent rather than a one off. There is no guarantee that the government will repeat this next year which will make anyone with a 1974 car pretty sick. I think there's a pretty good chance that they'll repeat it next year; I can't see any other reason why they would make the decision to make 40 year old cars tax exempt suddenly unless it's to bring it in line with a 40-year rolling exemption. So while they're saying "Look, we've reintroduced rolling tax exemption that the previous Labour governement withdrew", because it's always nice to have an opportunity to point out that everything was the fault of the last governement, keep your eyes peeled for all of the other bad news they will quietly dump on the same day while all the 40-year old classic car owners are delightedly clapping their hands at saving 200 quid a year. Much like all of the excitement about getting 3 points for hogging the centre lane that was announced the other week; a pointless bit of legislation to grab the headlines and reassure us that they're the good guys. stop ripping in to this chap and sign the petition. if we don't stand up for a right to have tax free cars then there will be a lot of good cars scraped. because of a insanely priced road tax for the state of our roads this is the trouble with our society nobody will unite for any cause regards t If people scrap classic cars because they have to pay road tax then this is all a moot point anyway, because surely all of the post-1972 classics have been scrapped by now rather than pay road tax since the 25-year exemption was done away with in 1997? Right? *Backs high horse back into the stable* Why would this be locked? I'm not that familiar with the rules around here From the Retro Rides MO
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2013 13:19:35 GMT by Rich606
1989 Peugeot 205. You know, the one that was parked in a ditch on the campsite at RRG'17... the glass is always full. but the ratio of air to water may vary.
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