v8ade
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Feb 26, 2007 20:27:35 GMT
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Not totally retro but is there any mechanics out there that knows how to time the diesel injector pump on a L series engine circa 1998. It has the Bosch engine management and intercooler fitted thanks and just to keep it a bit retro
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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madmart
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hi does this help? if you pm me with your model of rover and email address I can send over the full size pic and some other info HTH mart edit, IIRC number 20 is a locking pin on the diesel pump you can use a drill bit thats a tight fit
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Last Edit: Feb 27, 2007 4:40:12 GMT by madmart
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I`d already sent the autodata info to Ade previously. I think the problem is the pump he has had the pulley removed and there is no keyway to fit it back on in the correct position. You`re best bet is probably phoning a diesel specialist and asking if its possibleto set the timing at home or if they are able to set the timing on it. Otherwise it will be case of taking it to a Rover garage.
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 17:19:53 GMT
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Yes my problem is when you try to start it up, it struggles into life occasionally on 2 pistons them maybe if you are lucky it goes onto 4.All the time its running on 4 it smokes, but will eventually clear i took it up the road when it was running and it flew then suddenly it just stopped dead for no reason.Eventually got it going again and it sat on tick over for 15 Min's sound, then i turned it off and immediately tried to start it again and it wouldn't go for love nor money. I have changed the injectors and the glow plugs and it still has the same symptoms had the electrics checked and everything is fine, thats why i think the timing on the pump may be slightly out or there is another mechanical fault HELP
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
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rover diesel timingrustingdeathtrap
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Feb 27, 2007 18:27:56 GMT
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Are you sure its not sucking air in from somewhere? If its got clear pipes between the filter and the pump have a look at them when the engines running and see if theres air bubbles in the fuel. shouldnt have any air in the fuel system at all. If you cant be sure get a can of diesel and run a pipe straight from the injection pump into the can and see what it runs like then. If its still rough make sure theres no leaks from the pump. TBH it doesnt sound like a timing problem to me. If the timings out it would run rough all the time, not come and go. The symptoms you have definatly sound like an air leak somewhere, especially the fact that once you turn it off it wont start again. Shame your not a bit nearer else i'd pop round and have a look for you Something else i just though of. If the pipes connect to the pump with banjo connectors take them off and have a look at them. Sometimes, especially on the old peugots, they used to fit a non return valve in the bolt on the banjo connector and these used to get stuck causing all sorts of grief. HTH
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rover diesel timingrustingdeathtrap
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Feb 27, 2007 18:30:31 GMT
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Sorry to state the bleedin obvious but might be worth checking to see someone hasnt put petrol in it by accident.
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 18:35:15 GMT
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Thanks i could try the diesel can trick but i have replaced every copper and Ally washers all new jubilee clips checked and checked again for air leaks and it seems to be OK. I may try and put a piece off clear pipe between the pump and the filter and see if there is any air coming up the pipe work somehow from the tank
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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Feb 27, 2007 18:36:21 GMT
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Could it be an ECU problem or intermiitent fault on something like the crank sensor How did you manage to time it in the end then Ade
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 18:41:20 GMT
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Sorry to state the bleedin obvious but might be worth checking to see someone hasnt put petrol in it by accident. theres a thought but iwas told the engine only siezed up because it was driven through water and it sucked it up into the engine the diesel that was bled through though didnt smell of petrol or look any different
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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Feb 27, 2007 18:42:14 GMT
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Have you checked all the seals on the fuel filter? Sometimes you get the tiniest nick in one of those O rings it can cause you all sorts of grief. I'd check the wiring loom too, 90% of the repairs i do these days are down to wiring faults, either broken wires or the loom rubbing on brackets or the chassis.
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 18:49:55 GMT
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Could it be an ECU problem or intermiitent fault on something like the crank sensor How did you manage to time it in the end then Ade on the side off the pump there is a bolt that you screw in that locks into a little dimple on the shaft so that the shaft is secure to undo the bolt on the end off the pulley. know one seems to know if this also times it to the right position all the other timing marks on the engine were in the correct place when i fitted the belt all the sensors and the ecu have checked out ok
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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rover diesel timingrustingdeathtrap
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Feb 27, 2007 19:04:16 GMT
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Could it be an ECU problem or intermiitent fault on something like the crank sensor How did you manage to time it in the end then Ade on the side off the pump there is a bolt that you screw in that locks into a little dimple on the shaft so that the shaft is secure to undo the bolt on the end off the pulley. know one seems to know if this also times it to the right position all the other timing marks on the engine were in the correct place when I fitted the belt all the sensors and the ecu have checked out ok Thats normally just for hold the pump in posistion while the belts off. To time it up you need to use a DTI on the plunger and know how many degrees BTDC start of delivery commences. Forgive me if this sounds patronising but have you had the head off and checked the piston heights? If the engines been hydrauliced then you might have bent con rods, hence the running on two cylinders.
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 19:30:50 GMT
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Its a replacement engine block and all the ancillary parts were taken of the seized up engine and swapped over to the new one someone else mentioned the pump may need timing to the correct position but no one seems to want to tell me how to do it or give the correct info on how to do it, they just want the pump to check it and then charged £65 for the pleasure
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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rover diesel timingrustingdeathtrap
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Feb 27, 2007 20:21:50 GMT
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Well i don't know the specs for a rover engine but auto data should give you the details. On the back of the pump, where the pipes come out, there should be an 11mm bolt in the center of the distributor block. Undo this and put a DTI down the hole. You'll notice that as you turn the pump over the gauge will go up and down, this is the piston which delivers the fuel. You want to get the piston at BDC right at the point where its about begin its stroke (make sure your turning the pump the right way ). This is the start of delivery. Now, lock the pump up and zero the DTI, then set the engine to whatever the manufacture specifies as start of delivery, on a sprinter this is 12 degrees btdc. Then fit the cam belt. Now you'll need to unlock the pump and turn the engine over to TDC and measure the piston travel on the DTI. Again, this is sprinter info, but at tdc the DTI should read .9mm. If its out adjust the pump timing untill its spot on. Bobs your mothers secret lover. If you want i'll have a look in the diesel data book at work tomorrow and find out the specifics for your car.
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v8ade
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Feb 27, 2007 20:59:18 GMT
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thanks that would help at least i could then check the pump is correct
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V8 on open headers at full throttle "Heaven"
Jaguar xf SportBrake rover 820 Turbo vitesse
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