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Have been looking at a kit car which has been off the road for many years, was first put on the road 20 odd years ago. It is still registered as a Ford Escort on the log book, which you could sort of get away with when it was built, but not nowadays. Has anyone had any experience of re registering old kit cars? I understand they had an amnesty for this sort of thing but that was about 10 years ago...
Registering it as a new build would need IVA (or whatever it's called now) cost hundreds, and probably be difficult on a kit that was never designed to pass it, so it's a non starter. Running it on the Escort log book is not really the proper way to do it, and besides when I get bored with it potential buyers will have the same concerns as I'm having now, so that's a non starter too.
It's on a kit chassis so it's not a re-body. It has been used on the road previously, first built 20 years or so ago, was last taxed in 2008, any other info is a bit sketchy.
I am aware it's not legal and I should walk away, look for a legit one, join an owners club, buy the best you can afford etc etc but it's local, reasonably priced and looks like fun! I'm looking for practical advice from anyone who has managed to get round this sort of situation if anyone can help?
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Apr 13, 2013 10:06:55 GMT
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just needs re-registering with the right name IMO, its obviously been through countless MOT's etc, why make more work for yourself going through whatever tests many say you have to do.
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Kieran
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Apr 13, 2013 10:15:42 GMT
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I would have thought it would need to go through an IVA test (cost £450), with a lot of work done to it to get through as you say.
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Last Edit: Apr 13, 2013 12:39:00 GMT by Kieran
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sowen
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Apr 13, 2013 14:27:03 GMT
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You are probably better off contacting the DVLA directly over it. It's been previously on the road so I very much doubt it would need to go through an IVA test as it's not a new build.
At a guess I would assume that it would only require a VIC check and updating the V5, but really depends what it is, and how it fairs against the DVLA 8-points identity system.
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stealthstylz
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Apr 13, 2013 23:12:56 GMT
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If it was never updated at the time you're stuck iirc, best of asking on the A.C.E. forum for advice.
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kenb
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Apr 14, 2013 12:58:28 GMT
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Hang on, did I read that had been on the road in 2008 or last taxed in 2008?. Assuming it was sorn'd when tax ran out, as far as DVLA are concerned then its all legit? I don't see why it needs re registering.
Once its all road legal its a case of just re moting and carry on as normal. No different to taking a normal car off the road for a bit.
Unless I'm missing something here?
I wouldn't advise trying to re register or change whats on the log book, as you will end up IVA'ing.
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Last Edit: Apr 14, 2013 12:59:31 GMT by kenb
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stealthstylz
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Apr 14, 2013 17:57:29 GMT
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It should have been put on an age related number plate when new if it used 2 major components from the donor car, and renamed. If all the parts weren't from a single donor it should be on a Q.
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Apr 15, 2013 15:43:45 GMT
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Found out a bit more. It's a Jago. The logbook says Ford Escort for make and model, but body type is 4x4 light utility. Obviously someone once made some effort to change the logbook, but as far as I'm aware it should be registered as a Jago as the make, not a Ford, because it's on a Jago chassis, it's not an Escort with a body conversion. The 4x4 bit (even though it's not 4x4...) may give a bit more leverage to get the dvla to change it as it's evidence that it has been a kit for a long time, not a new build. Or, it may be good enough as it is. I probably need to ask on a kit car focussed forum for more specific information. Thanks people.
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stealthstylz
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Apr 15, 2013 18:10:34 GMT
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Yep should have been re-registered with "Jago" as manufacturer and "Geep" as the model.
As it is the only way to sort it properly would be an IVA test i'm afraid.
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Apr 15, 2013 18:23:21 GMT
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I know of one of there's jago's that's still registered as a mk1 Mexico
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LowStandards
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Apr 15, 2013 19:42:16 GMT
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Its basically worth the cost of the parts, its not legally registered and wont pass an iva without lots of work.
I bet its cheap, when I was looking for a Jago un registered ones, even mint were under £300, 'proper' ones were at least £800+ for a shabby one.
Plus - why I may not agree- the club is very active at reporting dodgy ones.
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Apr 16, 2013 17:46:32 GMT
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Is there evidence from of old MOT's and insurance from some time since building and 2008 ? They MIGHT be enough to confirm to a LOCAL DVLA office that simply a record error. DON'T try to sort out via post or telephone if you have such documentation. Might also be worth getting a copy of the release of information, ie history, from DVLA as it will show the original copy of the form to change to "4x4 light utility". That will show when they were informed of body change and could even state Jago !.
Paul H
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Apr 16, 2013 19:22:08 GMT
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With this it should be easy to get it sorted out. They will have a record of when t was changed from Escort to 4x4 utility and with mot's since then you can prove it.
If you search on line for a guy called Paul Jepson, he used to work for the DVLA and now offers a service where he sorts these problems out as he knows the sytem inside out.
If it was registered as an escort with no changes at all or indication other wise you would be faced with IVA.
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